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Tamiya Vietnam M551 Sheridan build/review
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Posted: Saturday, August 15, 2020 - 07:24 AM UTC

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Thanks Sherb. And what a great start they are! Did you get the book from Sprue Brothers? That looks like one of their labels in the corner. I’m really looking forward to you finishing your build. Perhaps it’ll motivate me to get started on mine!
VR, Russ



Yup! Sprue Brothers. It was a "deal of the day" special, I got it close to half off.
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Posted: Saturday, August 15, 2020 - 06:38 AM UTC
Now I'd like to see a RFM sheridan being built.
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Posted: Saturday, August 15, 2020 - 06:02 AM UTC
Thanks Sherb. And what a great start they are! Did you get the book from Sprue Brothers? That looks like one of their labels in the corner. I’m really looking forward to you finishing your build. Perhaps it’ll motivate me to get started on mine!
VR, Russ
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Posted: Saturday, August 15, 2020 - 05:40 AM UTC
As promised, I pulled out the box with the, now, two started Sheridan kits.



In the interim I picked up a second barrel/PE set and the Sabot book on the Sheridan. There are plenty of pics of Vietnam Sheridans, many I hadn't seen before including several of "Body Count" with the twin 50s (also seen on the cover). Several of the photos appeared to be cropped close ups of other photos.

The book also covers M551s in Germany in the 70s, Desert Shield/Storm, Haiti and a brief "field maintenance" section showing the power pack and empty engine compartment. Pages 62-129 are detail and walk around photos of "Death Stalker." There are also a ton of interior photos. "Death Stalker" was part of the Littlefield collection and is now part of the American Heritage Museum.

If you don't have any Sheridan references in your library, I would say this is a great one stop purchase and a must have.

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Posted: Saturday, August 15, 2020 - 04:39 AM UTC

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Hey Live Resin, how about making some Javelin weapon systems and additional ammo for them please.



I think this got posted in the wrong place?
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Posted: Friday, August 14, 2020 - 03:00 AM UTC

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You’re not alone though, I have several “long term” “hang fire” projects on my workbench myself, some going back 2-3 years, and one that even goes back to 1977!
VR, Russ



That's good to know, now I don't feel so bad about some stuff that dates back to 1993/4 and 2004/5.

They never start off as long term projects though, do they? "This time, once I open the box, I'm going to finish it before..... Oh wow! Look at this new kit....."



My kit from 1977 was a wedding gift from my wife, who gave me a large and expensive (for that time) wood 1/48 kit of the Brandenburg Frigate “Berlin”. At the time, I was a Platoon leader in 2/11 ACR, and she was an American School teacher in Germany. So that model goes all the way back to my Sheridan days. It has travelled the world with me, even taking a long tour in Korea back in 1987, then back to Germany in the 90s, and again to Korea in 2000, so its well travelled. I work on it occasionally, when I get the bug for something that’s not plastic. It’s about 2/3 done, very detailed, but what keeps me hung up are the silk sails that demand expert folding and stitching. When I look at them, I just put it back in the box, as my “sewing skills” are severely lacking. But it does make me recall those memories from long ago as a Sheridan crewman. So it serves a good purpose. Someday, I’ll finish it. Perhaps in conjunction with my RFM Sheridan? Looking forward to seeing your finished product.
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Posted: Thursday, August 13, 2020 - 02:04 PM UTC

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You’re not alone though, I have several “long term” “hang fire” projects on my workbench myself, some going back 2-3 years, and one that even goes back to 1977!
VR, Russ



That's good to know, now I don't feel so bad about some stuff that dates back to 1993/4 and 2004/5.

They never start off as long term projects though, do they? "This time, once I open the box, I'm going to finish it before..... Oh wow! Look at this new kit....."
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Posted: Thursday, August 13, 2020 - 09:59 AM UTC

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Funny you should mention it, I pulled this thread up a couple weeks ago...I couldn’t believe it was from a year and a half ago!

I’ve been working on completing some projects these last few months and this one is next on the list. Hopefully this weekend I’ll post some updates.



Great! I wasn’t thinking when I typed the post, and thought April 2020 was the last post! But now that you mention it, it WAS April 2019! Time flies when you’re having fun! You’re not alone though, I have several “long term” “hang fire” projects on my workbench myself, some going back 2-3 years, and one that even goes back to 1977!
VR, Russ
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Posted: Thursday, August 13, 2020 - 07:59 AM UTC
Funny you should mention it, I pulled this thread up a couple weeks ago...I couldn’t believe it was from a year and a half ago!

I’ve been working on completing some projects these last few months and this one is next on the list. Hopefully this weekend I’ll post some updates.
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Posted: Thursday, August 13, 2020 - 07:34 AM UTC
Sherb,
I haven’t seen any updates for your Sheridan build since April— are you still out there? Still working on it? Looking forward to the final product.
VR, Russ
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Posted: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 - 07:42 AM UTC
I think I've literally glued two pieces together since the last update. Of course, since seeing the 2 new Bravo6 figure sets that were previewed I'm imagining all sorts of Sheridan dioramas.

Hopefully I'll be back on track soon. Lots of yard work this time of year.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 - 03:30 AM UTC

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Thanks for stopping by to check out the thread Doug.
I feel like a celebrity has come to visit.



Hi, Eban!

Just wonderewd how you were doing and how you were coming along with your build!
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Posted: Monday, March 25, 2019 - 11:36 AM UTC

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If it's the one with a very funky looking star and deep in mud, that's not our test mule. Another vehicle on that site is wildly mis-captioned. The main reason I despise these harvested photo collections



You got it right--that's the one. I mentioned I dislike Pinterest in my initial posting too-- they group photos based on a subject and want you to sign in to use their service, then they use your email for advertising purposes. The track is also mislabeled as "Fort Lewis Wa"-- which I believe to be highly suspect, since I was there in the early 70s and don't remember any Sheridans there. Another reason I dislike them, as stuff gets jumbled and mislabeled or miscredited. I note they "harvest" stuff off the web all the time. But this particular photo has to be a post Veitnam Sheridan, as it has a European "gumball" light and a LRF. Where it is, what unit it belongs to, and the story behind it is a mystery, and may remain a mystery unless someone steps up to claim it.
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Hi, Russ!

Several years ago, I signed up at Pinterest. They kept bugging me with these "Friend requests" from some really weird people. I couldn't wait to sign myself back out of Pinterest- It's just another "Facebook", that's all. I lasted about a week on Facebook and then I QUIT...
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Posted: Monday, March 25, 2019 - 10:48 AM UTC

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If it's the one with a very funky looking star and deep in mud, that's not our test mule. Another vehicle on that site is wildly mis-captioned. The main reason I despise these harvested photo collections



Another reason I dislike them, as stuff gets jumbled and mislabeled or miscredited. I note they "harvest" stuff off the web all the time. But this particular photo has to be a post Veitnam Sheridan, as it has a European "gumball" light and a LRF. Where it is, what unit it belongs to, and the story behind it is a mystery, and may remain a mystery unless someone steps up to claim it.
VR, Russ



"Mislabeled and miscredited"....exactly my peeve as well. Happens a lot, sometimes unintentionally and too often not. I share your doubts about Ft. Lewis as well, thought it's not impossible. I shipped out to VN from Ft. Lewis in '71 and did not understand there to be Sheridans there, and the same during the almost two years upon my return. The M551A1's became a part of the inventory after my discharge so I can't speak with any authority on where they might have been after that as I wasn't involved in any way with Army/armor doings again until the late '90's.
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Posted: Saturday, March 23, 2019 - 06:39 AM UTC
Heya, Sherb!!!

Wanted to send out a belated and much-deserved Thank You for documenting and posting your Sheridan double-build!!! Much amazing info and insight!

Priceless pic of your young assistant! You are raising ‘em right, Sherb! Definitely a future contest winning modeler in training!!

Keep it coming, Sherb!

With Regards and Aloha,

Johnny B.

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Posted: Friday, March 22, 2019 - 02:25 AM UTC

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If it's the one with a very funky looking star and deep in mud, that's not our test mule. Another vehicle on that site is wildly mis-captioned. The main reason I despise these harvested photo collections



You got it right--that's the one. I mentioned I dislike Pinterest in my initial posting too-- they group photos based on a subject and want you to sign in to use their service, then they use your email for advertising purposes. The track is also mislabeled as "Fort Lewis Wa"-- which I believe to be highly suspect, since I was there in the early 70s and don't remember any Sheridans there. Another reason I dislike them, as stuff gets jumbled and mislabeled or miscredited. I note they "harvest" stuff off the web all the time. But this particular photo has to be a post Veitnam Sheridan, as it has a European "gumball" light and a LRF. Where it is, what unit it belongs to, and the story behind it is a mystery, and may remain a mystery unless someone steps up to claim it.
VR, Russ
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Posted: Thursday, March 21, 2019 - 10:23 PM UTC

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Hers the link to Hannants for the Aber Mesh S08 I;m sure once you get the aber no it will be available elsewhere :-)

https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/ABR35S08



Hi, Keith!

Thanks for posting the link to Hannant's- I'm a BIG FAN of ABER stuff!!!
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Hers the link to Hannants for the Aber Mesh S08 I;m sure once you get the aber no it will be available elsewhere :-)

https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/ABR35S08
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Posted: Thursday, March 21, 2019 - 05:49 PM UTC
If it's the one with a very funky looking star and deep in mud, that's not our test mule. Another vehicle on that site is wildly mis-captioned. The main reason I despise these harvested photo collections
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Posted: Thursday, March 21, 2019 - 05:31 PM UTC

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Thanks for stopping by to check out the thread Doug.
I feel like a celebrity has come to visit.



"Celebrity" indeed, and I was hoping we could be friends!

Just a suggestion for fabbing up an exhaust extension...get a 155mm propellant canister and put the engine exhaust outlet atop it, or less frequently, the "diffuser". Both can be seen in diagrams below drawn from the TM's.

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Posted: Thursday, March 21, 2019 - 04:59 PM UTC

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Russ, I think the star may be white and between dirt and a yellowed picture it appears yellow. All of the pictures I have from Germany 1977 to early 76 have yellowed dramatically. It was either the paper or the chemical they used at AFEES. A theory anyway.

Tom



White doesn't make much sense either-- since by the time the laser and the gum ball light were required, the colors would almost certainly have been changed to black. I'm wondering if this is a "colorized" photo put up on Pintrest-- there are so many inconsistencies. The size of the star is also strange. By the way, this indeed must be an original M551, brought up to A1 standards during the rebuild program. The presence of the old bore evacuator is the give away, since the new A1s were coming off the assembly line with the new CBSS system, which was retrofitted to the old guns. I understand less than 100 Sheridans were sent to Vietnam, but they didn't all have this gun tube, many had the new CBSS tube. This tube is very close to the prototype tube with the original scavenging system. The second generation tubes had the ring around the barrel, like in the Tamiya kit. Third generation tubes had no ring at all. Sheridans came and went periodically to the rebuild facility (in CONUS and in Europe). I was the Range 43 OIC at Graf when we had two brand new rebuild M551A1s come in February 1979, one of which promptly caught fire on the upload pad, burning completely to the ground overnight (short in the sub turret floor while loading ammo). So they were upgrading and rebuilding these things right up to the end-- evidently not very well from my Graf Fire experience!

Another thought just occurred to me-- maybe this is a test vehicle at Fort Knox or Aberdeen, of the early M551 undergoing the A1 acceptance testing? I suppose that would explain the laser, white star, and old gun tube? It would be nice to know the history of this photo.
VR, Russ

Would it be possible to send me or post a copy of the picture in question? I was on the Hughes LRF test project at the Armor Board (my first project there) in Q2, 1972 and our vehicle was OD, white stars and markings and obviously LRF equipped. I don't recall the gun tube configuration. Our bumper markings were distinctive and always featured the "TEST OPERATION" stencil on front and both sides. Thx!




---Unfortunately, it's in Pintrest, but the link to the page is here-- it's the Sheridan on the upper left of the page as it comes up:
https://www.pinterest.ca/pin/799037158867143188
VR, Russ
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Posted: Thursday, March 21, 2019 - 02:38 PM UTC
Thanks for stopping by to check out the thread Doug.
I feel like a celebrity has come to visit.
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Posted: Thursday, March 21, 2019 - 01:59 PM UTC

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Russ, I think the star may be white and between dirt and a yellowed picture it appears yellow. All of the pictures I have from Germany 1977 to early 76 have yellowed dramatically. It was either the paper or the chemical they used at AFEES. A theory anyway.

Tom



White doesn't make much sense either-- since by the time the laser and the gum ball light were required, the colors would almost certainly have been changed to black. I'm wondering if this is a "colorized" photo put up on Pintrest-- there are so many inconsistencies. The size of the star is also strange. By the way, this indeed must be an original M551, brought up to A1 standards during the rebuild program. The presence of the old bore evacuator is the give away, since the new A1s were coming off the assembly line with the new CBSS system, which was retrofitted to the old guns. I understand less than 100 Sheridans were sent to Vietnam, but they didnt all have this gun tube, many had the new CBSS tube. This tube is very close to the prototype tube with the original scavenging system. The second generation tubes had the ring around the barrel, like in the Tamiya kit. Third generation tubes had no ring at all. Sheridans came and went periodically to the rebuild facility (in CONUS and in Europe). I was the Range 43 OIC at Graf when we had two brand new rebuild M551A1s come in February 1979, one of which promptly caught fire on the upload pad, burning completely to the ground overnight (short in the sub turret floor while loading ammo). So they were upgrading and rebuilding these things right up to the end-- evidently not very well from my Graf Fire experience!

Another thought just occurred to me-- maybe this is a test vehicle at Fort Knox or Aberdeen, of the early M551 undergoing the A1 acceptance testing? I suppose that would explain the laser, white star, and old gun tube? It would be nice to know the history of this photo.
VR, Russ

Would it be possible to send me or post a copy of the picture in question? I was on the Hughes LRF test project at the Armor Board (my first project there) in Q2, 1972 and our vehicle was OD, white stars and markings and obviously LRF equipped. I don't recall the gun tube configuration. Our bumper markings were distinctive and always featured the "TEST OPERATION" stencil on front and both sides. Thx!
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