kitmaker.net  web 
login   |    register

 _GOTOBOTTOM
Ships by Class/Type: Battleships
Topics from the Dreadnaught era to modern day.
Hosted by Steve Joyce
HMS Agamemnon 1915. 1/350
RedDuster
Visit this Community
England - South East, United Kingdom
Member Since: March 01, 2010
entire network: 7,078 Posts
KitMaker Network: 42 Posts
Posted: Saturday, November 03, 2018 - 06:05 AM UTC
I said the next one would the last pre-dreadnought in a major navy, and here she is HMS Agamemnon, the Royal Navy's last one, decommissioned in 1926, after spending four years as a target ship.


The kit.



The Hull mouldings.



The etch.





Pretty complete.

I have aquired a cheap but intact Ponots dreadnought set, My intention is to use some of the parts for the aerial spreaders, and the net booms. the nets will be shown deployed, they will have to be scratchbuilt, as the dreadnought had 13 booms each side compared to Agamemnon's 11 and the spacing is different.

Comparison of the kit booms vs pontos.



Assembly started.

The Hull structure test fitted.



Hull halves assembled.



and the deck fitted.



More soon.

Cheers

Si

Black_sheep
Visit this Community
Bayern, Germany
Member Since: December 11, 2009
entire network: 823 Posts
KitMaker Network: 11 Posts
Posted: Saturday, November 03, 2018 - 06:27 AM UTC
Thats a nice one you will build there. I´m sure she will turn out as a beauty out of your hands soon
TimReynaga
Staff MemberAssociate Editor
MODEL SHIPWRIGHTS
Visit this Community
California, United States
Member Since: May 03, 2006
entire network: 2,500 Posts
KitMaker Network: 19 Posts
Posted: Saturday, November 03, 2018 - 06:32 AM UTC
I agree with Thomas, your Agamemnon will no doubt be up to your usual standard of modelling excellence...but to call that homely ship a beauty, well, that might be a stretch!

Cosimodo
#335
Visit this Community
Auckland, New Zealand
Member Since: September 03, 2013
entire network: 1,803 Posts
KitMaker Network: 6 Posts
Posted: Saturday, November 03, 2018 - 07:23 AM UTC
I will following this one. Always like this early battleships and you have built an interesting array of them recently. Should be a good one as Hobby Boss ships seem to be pretty good kits.

cheers
Michael
RedDuster
Visit this Community
England - South East, United Kingdom
Member Since: March 01, 2010
entire network: 7,078 Posts
KitMaker Network: 42 Posts
Posted: Saturday, November 03, 2018 - 09:01 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Thats a nice one you will build there. I´m sure she will turn out as a beauty out of your hands soon


Thanks Thomas,

Very kind of you to say so.

Cheers

Si
RedDuster
Visit this Community
England - South East, United Kingdom
Member Since: March 01, 2010
entire network: 7,078 Posts
KitMaker Network: 42 Posts
Posted: Saturday, November 03, 2018 - 09:07 PM UTC

Quoted Text

I agree with Thomas, your Agamemnon will no doubt be up to your usual standard of modelling excellence...but to call that homely ship a beauty, well, that might be a stretch!



Thanks Tim,

This is going to be quite a job, a good few changes between the kit and the ship in 1915, and the camouflage she wore during the Dardenelles too.

Cheers

Si
RedDuster
Visit this Community
England - South East, United Kingdom
Member Since: March 01, 2010
entire network: 7,078 Posts
KitMaker Network: 42 Posts
Posted: Saturday, November 03, 2018 - 09:38 PM UTC

Quoted Text

I will following this one. Always like this early battleships and you have built an interesting array of them recently. Should be a good one as Hobby Boss ships seem to be pretty good kits.

cheers
Michael


Hi Michael,

Good to have you along for the ride. The Hobby boss / Trumpeter pre-dreads are really nice kits, with very acceptable etch. I think it is excellent that at least one major manufacturer is taking an interest in this eclectic period of naval development.

Cheers

Si
JJ1973
#345
Visit this Community
Niedersachsen, Germany
Member Since: August 22, 2011
entire network: 1,835 Posts
KitMaker Network: 3 Posts
Posted: Sunday, November 04, 2018 - 07:05 AM UTC
Hi Si,

just in time to watch you starting your next project! And another nice one, nice start!

I'm in for the ride, of course, even if possibly rather silent, I already apologize for that.

I'm looking forward to another fine Heathwood Shipyard build!!

Cheers,
Jan
RedDuster
Visit this Community
England - South East, United Kingdom
Member Since: March 01, 2010
entire network: 7,078 Posts
KitMaker Network: 42 Posts
Posted: Monday, November 05, 2018 - 07:20 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Hi Si,

just in time to watch you starting your next project! And another nice one, nice start!

I'm in for the ride, of course, even if possibly rather silent, I already apologize for that.

I'm looking forward to another fine Heathwood Shipyard build!!

Cheers,
Jan


Always glad to have you along Jan,

This one is going be interesting, quite a few changes from the kit to bring her up to her appearance in 1915.

Hope you enjoy the ride.

Cheers

Si.
ChurchSTSV
Visit this Community
Arizona, United States
Member Since: September 20, 2017
entire network: 350 Posts
KitMaker Network: 88 Posts
Posted: Monday, November 05, 2018 - 07:34 AM UTC
You continue to inspire, Si!!

Looks great and I am sure will be an absolute mess of rigging when she is done!
RedDuster
Visit this Community
England - South East, United Kingdom
Member Since: March 01, 2010
entire network: 7,078 Posts
KitMaker Network: 42 Posts
Posted: Monday, November 05, 2018 - 07:52 AM UTC

Quoted Text

You continue to inspire, Si!!

Looks great and I am sure will be an absolute mess of rigging when she is done!


Thank you Charlie,

well you know what these Pre-dreadnoughts are like, yup, there will be cage aerials, torpedo nets, and it goes on and on.


I amy have bitten a slightly bigger chunk than I can normally chew here.

Cheers

Si.




RedDuster
Visit this Community
England - South East, United Kingdom
Member Since: March 01, 2010
entire network: 7,078 Posts
KitMaker Network: 42 Posts
Posted: Monday, November 05, 2018 - 07:56 AM UTC
Very quick update.

Shafts and rudder in place.



Torpedo net fittings from the Pontos set going on.



More soon, likely not till after Telford though.

Cheers

Si
d6mst0
#453
Visit this Community
Texas, United States
Member Since: August 28, 2016
entire network: 1,925 Posts
KitMaker Network: 8 Posts
Posted: Monday, November 05, 2018 - 02:31 PM UTC
Si,

Nice start.

How does a target ship last 4 years? I know the British navy gunners weren't the best shots but the odds would have caught up with her.

Mark
RedDuster
Visit this Community
England - South East, United Kingdom
Member Since: March 01, 2010
entire network: 7,078 Posts
KitMaker Network: 42 Posts
Posted: Monday, November 05, 2018 - 08:42 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Si,

Nice start.

How does a target ship last 4 years? I know the British navy gunners weren't the best shots but the odds would have caught up with her.

Mark


Thanks Mark,

According to Burt, her time as a target was used for testing light & medium calibre shells 4" - 6" and the effectiveness of protection, including crew stations on the upper deck against straffing from aircraft.

I have to agree with your comment re the RN's gunnery in the first World war era. The gunnery statistics were not impressive, example from Agamemnon's trails, 22 hits out of 400 6" fired from 14,000yds.
RussellE
#306
Visit this Community
Victoria, Australia
Member Since: June 27, 2010
entire network: 3,946 Posts
KitMaker Network: 35 Posts
Posted: Tuesday, November 06, 2018 - 12:14 AM UTC
Ah haa! I suspected it might be this one, Si!

Following with great interest for my own personal reasons: Lord Nelson waiting in the stash!
RedDuster
Visit this Community
England - South East, United Kingdom
Member Since: March 01, 2010
entire network: 7,078 Posts
KitMaker Network: 42 Posts
Posted: Tuesday, November 06, 2018 - 05:53 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Ah haa! I suspected it might be this one, Si!

Following with great interest for my own personal reasons: Lord Nelson waiting in the stash!



Hi Russ,

I new I couldn't fool everybody.

The hacking about to bring her forward in time isn't, except for loosing the main topmast, structural so won't be that different.

Glad to have you along.

Cheers

Si
RedDuster
Visit this Community
England - South East, United Kingdom
Member Since: March 01, 2010
entire network: 7,078 Posts
KitMaker Network: 42 Posts
Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2018 - 09:27 AM UTC
Latest progress.

The torpedo net boom mounts all fitted.



Deck and water tight door for stern gallery in place.



Sprayed Halfords red primer.



Masked.



and sprayed dark grey.



Next jobs camo & boot topping.

Cheers

Si
d6mst0
#453
Visit this Community
Texas, United States
Member Since: August 28, 2016
entire network: 1,925 Posts
KitMaker Network: 8 Posts
Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2018 - 03:05 PM UTC
Si,

Did admirals really use those walks? I thought those guys never left the bridge.

Nice installation, the door really looks sweet.

Mark
RedDuster
Visit this Community
England - South East, United Kingdom
Member Since: March 01, 2010
entire network: 7,078 Posts
KitMaker Network: 42 Posts
Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2018 - 08:42 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Si,

Did admirals really use those walks? I thought those guys never left the bridge.

Nice installation, the door really looks sweet.

Mark


Hi Mark,

Admirals did use the walks, more likely in port, as their day cabin was right aft. At sea, they tended to live in their sea cabin, when not on the Flag bridge, which was close by it. Off the top of my head, the last British Battleships fitted with such a luxury were the Queen Elizabeth class.

The door came from a spare on the WEM Warspite set, I does fit in quite nicely.

Cheers

Si.



RussellE
#306
Visit this Community
Victoria, Australia
Member Since: June 27, 2010
entire network: 3,946 Posts
KitMaker Network: 35 Posts
Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2018 - 08:57 PM UTC
Like greyhound at the races Si you're off to a blistering start!

Now, as I'm taking notes for her sister ship that I've got in the stash (Lord Nelson), what colour grey would be appropriate on her?

Also, are you sure they wore boot topping during the great war?
RedDuster
Visit this Community
England - South East, United Kingdom
Member Since: March 01, 2010
entire network: 7,078 Posts
KitMaker Network: 42 Posts
Posted: Friday, November 16, 2018 - 02:06 AM UTC
Hi Russ,

Don't like to hang about mate

For the Lord Nelson in an as built scheme, looking at the photographs in Burt, I would think the colour approximates somewhere close to B6/B30 mid grey, maybe a bit lighter.

Oddly it looks like both ships had a boot topping, a couple of pics from R.A. Burt's British Battleships 1889-1904, show a boot topping on the Lord Nelson, and these date from December 1908.





Hope that helps you out.

Agamemnon appears to be in a much darker grey, with lighter grey camo in 1915. I am guessing on the exact colours, just using what I have got.

Doing a bit of digging, it would appear Boot topping came in when the RN switched from Black white & buff to grey, or shortly after, likely it varies from ship to ship depending on where and when they were repainted.

Cheers

Si


RussellE
#306
Visit this Community
Victoria, Australia
Member Since: June 27, 2010
entire network: 3,946 Posts
KitMaker Network: 35 Posts
Posted: Saturday, November 17, 2018 - 10:16 PM UTC
Thanks for the info Si

probably gonna ask a few more questions along the way if that's ok?

Looking at my own copy of RA Burts Battleships, the line drawings clearly show the boot topping. They don't seem as wide as on later ships though?

For the colour I'm not sure which one to chose out the colourcoats range here?
Littorio
Visit this Community
England - South East, United Kingdom
Member Since: September 15, 2004
entire network: 4,728 Posts
KitMaker Network: 279 Posts
Posted: Saturday, November 17, 2018 - 11:18 PM UTC
Si, following along as I have Aggy in my stash.

I've had a break from ship modelling for over a year now but picked up a nice 1/350 T-class sub at Telford to be built as HMS Terrapin so that has hit the bench running. Just ordering a RM Tazzoli Italian sub so at least the subs are back.
RedDuster
Visit this Community
England - South East, United Kingdom
Member Since: March 01, 2010
entire network: 7,078 Posts
KitMaker Network: 42 Posts
Posted: Sunday, November 18, 2018 - 06:10 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Si, following along as I have Aggy in my stash.

I've had a break from ship modelling for over a year now but picked up a nice 1/350 T-class sub at Telford to be built as HMS Terrapin so that has hit the bench running. Just ordering a RM Tazzoli Italian sub so at least the subs are back.


Glad to have you aboard Mate.

It is a nice kit, and goes together well. Already built the Lord Nelson, hence converting this one to 1915 fit.


Cheers

Si
RussellE
#306
Visit this Community
Victoria, Australia
Member Since: June 27, 2010
entire network: 3,946 Posts
KitMaker Network: 35 Posts
Posted: Sunday, November 18, 2018 - 08:47 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Already built the Lord Nelson,


Didn't see that blog
 _GOTOTOP