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Operation Anthropoid
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Posted: Sunday, September 06, 2020 - 11:50 PM UTC
I've been searching all over the web,but could find the colour combination of the diamond shaped sign. Only in modern colours. White wih a red edge (meaning you have right of way). This one seems to have a multi coloured edge...
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Posted: Sunday, September 06, 2020 - 11:43 PM UTC

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Hi Tim,

I have come across your Anthropoid project and found it absolutely fascinating. As someone who was born in (former) Czechoslovakia, I am very interested in the history of Operation Anthropoid. Your diorama is looking to be an incredible piece of artwork that should be placed in a museum! I am looking forward to following your progress.

As for your questions about the road signs, there is an article on the subject on the Czech Wikipedia: https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopravn%C3%AD_zna%C4%8Den%C3%AD_v_%C4%8Ceskoslovensku.

According to this article, the first sign would be white in the middle with red edges (marking a road with the right of way in the intersection). The present-day sign with the yellow in the middle and white along the edges was introduced after WWII (not sure exactly when, but believe it was sometime in the 1950's).

The second sign would be a black arrow on a white background. I am not sure there would necessarily be a thin red border, but it is possible (it would be present on the full round version of the road sign, however).

Hope this helps! Looking forward to following your project!

Jan




so this one? -Czechoslovak road sign from the 1938 law (č. 82/1938 Sb. z. a n.) Czechoslovakia_1938_road_sign_-_Priority_Road


sorry as I was unclear on which sign?
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Posted: Sunday, September 06, 2020 - 10:29 PM UTC
Hi Tim,

I have come across your Anthropoid project and found it absolutely fascinating. As someone who was born in (former) Czechoslovakia, I am very interested in the history of Operation Anthropoid. Your diorama is looking to be an incredible piece of artwork that should be placed in a museum! I am looking forward to following your progress.

As for your questions about the road signs, there is an article on the subject on the Czech Wikipedia: https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopravn%C3%AD_zna%C4%8Den%C3%AD_v_%C4%8Ceskoslovensku.

According to this article, the first sign would be white in the middle with red edges (marking a road with the right of way in the intersection). The present-day sign with the yellow in the middle and white along the edges was introduced after WWII (not sure exactly when, but believe it was sometime in the 1950's).

The second sign would be a black arrow on a white background. I am not sure there would necessarily be a thin red border, but it is possible (it would be present on the full round version of the road sign, however).

Hope this helps! Looking forward to following your project!

Jan

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Posted: Sunday, September 06, 2020 - 02:12 AM UTC
Thanks Brian,I always appreciate the well of knowledge.
Tim has made a giant leap in diorama building here. Those views,after the backdrops are added will be the new benchmark I wager,
J
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Posted: Saturday, September 05, 2020 - 10:05 PM UTC

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Thanks guys, yep Ski couldn’t agree more. So, one vote in favour & two abstentions - as mentioned I don’t know where the flying uniform story comes from but most days I’m inclined to believe it. Plausible given the force/direction of blast, the wires were only about 15-20 ft high, and quite likely a dress uniform would have been laid out on the back seat to avoid creases because Heydrich was headed for Prague airport for a conference with Hitler in Berlin later that same day. I can’t imagine why a (presumed) eye-witness would have made it up – they wouldn’t have known about the uniform, and if it was seat upholstery hanging off the wires that was red so hard to mis-identify.

Many thanks Jerry & Erwin for guidance – green piping = SD? What’s the rank & gold badge? For background (according to Wiki) chief investigator Heinz von Pannwitz “was assigned in 1939 to Prague’s Reich Main Security Office, responsible for the Gestapo control room Unit IIa. After the assassination Pannwitz was promptly ordered at the direction of a Special Commission to investigate the assassination of Heydrich. He was the author of the official final report on the assassination & in September 1942 promoted to Kriminalrat, equivalent to SS-Hauptsturmführer or SS-Sturmbannführer. As Pannwitz was not prepared to remove a Gestapo-critical passage after submitting the official final report, he was heavily criticized by the Gestapo.” So that implies he was not Gestapo, and as he’d been a “career policeman” he must therefore have been SD…? Anyhow regarding his subordinates at the crime scene the closest any photo gets to those guys is this one picking up evidence. His epaulette seems to have silver or white piping…SD or SS?



PS How fitting Jerry you posted the 1,000 reply, seeing as this project is entirely your fault as mentioned at the top of page 1 thanks so much for your unstinting support along with others who know who you are



Well,you are certainly welcome buddy.
The officer in the pic is hard to identify rank wise. All I see is the silver colored thread of a officers' shoulder strap and of course,riding breeches and high quality boots. The uniform in the previous pic shows a SS Major-(sturmbahnf.)I believe the gold badge was a sports award. "Leistungsabzeichen". The Bundeswehr still awards those and they look much the same. I hard scrabbled a bronze version last time I was stationed in Germany and it was a real ordeal! So,getting the Gold version makes you a real beas and a man amoungst men!
To add further to the mix there was still the regular police. "Polizei" but they had a different uniform and very distinctive hat. Many regular police were folded into the new SS when it became the regimes' new state apparatus. One would think they put a former regular police detective in charge of this investigation because that is what someone like that normally did. But he may have been now serving in the SS in the same job description?
Sorry,long winded answer but the SS was not a simple organisation. I spent years trying to unravel it and now I am spending years trying to unravel the British Regimental system,Hahahahahaaaa!
HTH
J



Jerry,

As an aside - ie off topic - I feel the SS is a doddle compared to the British regimental system! That said of course, I'll always help where I can (not that I'm an expert just that some of the 45 years I spent in the aforementioned beast - should have rubbed off on me - British Army that is, not the SS).

Brian
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Posted: Saturday, September 05, 2020 - 08:54 PM UTC
Beautiful Tim , the fence turned out great . Some very realistic 1/1 looking photos in the mix , very , very cool !!
Signage ? Idunnknowman , Murphy's Law , paint them any color you want . Then the real skinny will appear .....
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Posted: Saturday, September 05, 2020 - 03:27 PM UTC
Thanks again to you both for clarifications. Interesting in your 1st link Erwin, just above the table of rank insignia the caption under the SD diamond-badge mentions “here with white piping as used by members of the Gestapo when in uniform (if members of the SS)” – anyhow in the picture you posted earlier the badge is plain i.e. SD which is what I’ll use.



Awkward photography conditions, too windy outside & too bright/too dark inside so apologies for the poor photos. I coated the fencing with Humbrol steel followed by patchy rusty powder-paint to give it some random variation…



Simple brackets so that they’re detachable…





…and the same for the fence by the steps down to the garden…







So now it’s clearer (and unfocussed) the scope of the necessary backdrop…at that end. At least the house will fill in views towards the end of the long fence…



Lamp-posts also got a steel undercoat, acrylic topcoat over which powder-paint rust & grime to taste…



I’ve put the brakes on more detailed weathering/weeds etc until all elements are in situ, this thing will need some careful harmonisation so that nothing looks out of place. Still waiting for the UV lightbox to arrive in order to photo-etch the garden railings, so next are all road-signs & finalising other street furniture. But first another quiz - what colours are in this road-sign, and just for my own interest what does it mean…?



I’m guessing it’s yellow in the middle (if modern Prague signage is any guide) although this sign looks like a recent German occupation one. Also, is this a black arrow with thin red border…?



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Posted: Thursday, September 03, 2020 - 07:26 PM UTC
My pleasure to help...
The English Wiki shows some about the ranks of SD men.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicherheitsdienst

The German shows more. Dunno how well you can read German???
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicherheitsdienst_des_Reichsf%C3%BChrers_SS

About comparisons between ranks:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dienstgradangleichung
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Posted: Thursday, September 03, 2020 - 01:34 AM UTC

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Thanks guys, yep Ski couldn’t agree more. So, one vote in favour & two abstentions - as mentioned I don’t know where the flying uniform story comes from but most days I’m inclined to believe it. Plausible given the force/direction of blast, the wires were only about 15-20 ft high, and quite likely a dress uniform would have been laid out on the back seat to avoid creases because Heydrich was headed for Prague airport for a conference with Hitler in Berlin later that same day. I can’t imagine why a (presumed) eye-witness would have made it up – they wouldn’t have known about the uniform, and if it was seat upholstery hanging off the wires that was red so hard to mis-identify.

Many thanks Jerry & Erwin for guidance – green piping = SD? What’s the rank & gold badge? For background (according to Wiki) chief investigator Heinz von Pannwitz “was assigned in 1939 to Prague’s Reich Main Security Office, responsible for the Gestapo control room Unit IIa. After the assassination Pannwitz was promptly ordered at the direction of a Special Commission to investigate the assassination of Heydrich. He was the author of the official final report on the assassination & in September 1942 promoted to Kriminalrat, equivalent to SS-Hauptsturmführer or SS-Sturmbannführer. As Pannwitz was not prepared to remove a Gestapo-critical passage after submitting the official final report, he was heavily criticized by the Gestapo.” So that implies he was not Gestapo, and as he’d been a “career policeman” he must therefore have been SD…? Anyhow regarding his subordinates at the crime scene the closest any photo gets to those guys is this one picking up evidence. His epaulette seems to have silver or white piping…SD or SS?



PS How fitting Jerry you posted the 1,000 reply, seeing as this project is entirely your fault as mentioned at the top of page 1 thanks so much for your unstinting support along with others who know who you are



Well,you are certainly welcome buddy.
The officer in the pic is hard to identify rank wise. All I see is the silver colored thread of a officers' shoulder strap and of course,riding breeches and high quality boots. The uniform in the previous pic shows a SS Major-(sturmbahnf.)I believe the gold badge was a sports award. "Leistungsabzeichen". The Bundeswehr still awards those and they look much the same. I hard scrabbled a bronze version last time I was stationed in Germany and it was a real ordeal! So,getting the Gold version makes you a real beas and a man amoungst men!
To add further to the mix there was still the regular police. "Polizei" but they had a different uniform and very distinctive hat. Many regular police were folded into the new SS when it became the regimes' new state apparatus. One would think they put a former regular police detective in charge of this investigation because that is what someone like that normally did. But he may have been now serving in the SS in the same job description?
Sorry,long winded answer but the SS was not a simple organisation. I spent years trying to unravel it and now I am spending years trying to unravel the British Regimental system,Hahahahahaaaa!
HTH
J
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Posted: Thursday, September 03, 2020 - 12:01 AM UTC
Thanks guys, yep Ski couldn’t agree more. So, one vote in favour & two abstentions - as mentioned I don’t know where the flying uniform story comes from but most days I’m inclined to believe it. Plausible given the force/direction of blast, the wires were only about 15-20 ft high, and quite likely a dress uniform would have been laid out on the back seat to avoid creases because Heydrich was headed for Prague airport for a conference with Hitler in Berlin later that same day. I can’t imagine why a (presumed) eye-witness would have made it up – they wouldn’t have known about the uniform, and if it was seat upholstery hanging off the wires that was red so hard to mis-identify.

Many thanks Jerry & Erwin for guidance – green piping = SD? What’s the rank & gold badge? For background (according to Wiki) chief investigator Heinz von Pannwitz “was assigned in 1939 to Prague’s Reich Main Security Office, responsible for the Gestapo control room Unit IIa. After the assassination Pannwitz was promptly ordered at the direction of a Special Commission to investigate the assassination of Heydrich. He was the author of the official final report on the assassination & in September 1942 promoted to Kriminalrat, equivalent to SS-Hauptsturmführer or SS-Sturmbannführer. As Pannwitz was not prepared to remove a Gestapo-critical passage after submitting the official final report, he was heavily criticized by the Gestapo.” So that implies he was not Gestapo, and as he’d been a “career policeman” he must therefore have been SD…? Anyhow regarding his subordinates at the crime scene the closest any photo gets to those guys is this one picking up evidence. His epaulette seems to have silver or white piping…SD or SS?



PS How fitting Jerry you posted the 1,000 reply, seeing as this project is entirely your fault as mentioned at the top of page 1 thanks so much for your unstinting support along with others who know who you are
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Posted: Wednesday, September 02, 2020 - 09:51 PM UTC
... Where SD means Sicherheitsdienst (security service).
Here's an example of an SD uniform...


I understand the idea of the uniform is tempting... Just wonder how much truth is in it...
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Posted: Wednesday, September 02, 2020 - 01:35 AM UTC
The SS uniforms you see may be from the SD. The security police branch of the general SS. They had a normal SS uniform with cuffband and eagle on the left arm and a diamond shaped patch on the lower left sleeve with the Letters"SD". The Gestapo beastie boys were supposed to be undercover plain clothes and only had a ring,worn with the moniker facing the palm. The leather coat was not always worn and not a uniform.
The black dress uniform blown up over a electric wire sounds way too hollywood to me but you have way more research than I do,so.....obviously your sandbox and your rules apply!
I will be impressed here with whatever you decide.
J
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Posted: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 - 07:48 AM UTC
Trying to nail every detail can prove taxing, but that's the fun of the build, the beauty of this "Sport". Every now and then ya gotta go with your gut feeling on some things, the naysayers will always attempt to smack you for it. But remember, they ain't building it, you are. Armchair qtrbacks are a dime a dozen, especially in todays world, lol.

Throw that coat over the tram lines, that would add artistic license and add visual interest to the incredible scene.
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Posted: Sunday, August 30, 2020 - 10:33 PM UTC
Cheers JR, Ski & G here’s hoping! Thanks Brian sure when the dust’s settled I couldn’t really walk away from all this without trying to replicate those forensics photos too. I see Uniforms research in my future…those guys seen in some of the crime-scene pics would presumably have been SS and/or military Police – was there an actual “Gestapo” uniform apart from the regulation leather trench-coat? (P.S. I’m in no immediate hurry for an answer!) Thanks Glenn I was beginning to think no moose was good moose.

And thanks Paul for following this madness although looks like maybe you missed the early stages – see near foot of page 4 (April 2018), that excellent book’s been my prime text ever since, so much so it’s beginning to fall apart…rather like its owner. Superb background-setting although there were some errors describing the Event, as though MacDonald hadn’t read Pannewitz’s “crime scene” report although it’s listed in the bibliography.

One example was the misidentification (or mistranslation) of the agents’ side-arms as “revolvers”. Another was a somewhat confusing account of where the three agents assembled/loitered & where they parked their bicycles. Also there was no mention that when Heydrich pulled out the Walther from his door pocket, with Gabcik only a few metres away, he found it wasn’t loaded (Pannewitz). So there was no Wild West exchange of fire between them as MacDonald claimed, it was pure Keystone Cops gun-play firstly between driver Klein & Kubis, then Klein & Gabcik during the pursuit…once Klein put the accidentally ejected clip back in his pistol.

Also, I’m not aware of any corroboration (from Pannewitz or other) that the grenade’s blast launched Heydrich’s SS dress uniform, laid out on the back seat, up onto the overhead tramlines…but it’s such a great image it’ll be hard to resist. Even so MacDonald’s overall depth of research has been invaluable & as long as you’re not making a diorama about it, I’d recommend it without reservation
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Posted: Sunday, August 30, 2020 - 10:30 PM UTC
Beauty work Tim , excellent repurposing of parts !!

You can find moose figures on ebay ........

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Posted: Sunday, August 30, 2020 - 01:45 PM UTC
Well, I didn't catch your boof, but I do see more progress, so I'm calling it all good.

Ruck Over Bby!
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Posted: Sunday, August 30, 2020 - 01:52 AM UTC
Tim,

I've said it before - magisterial!

The photos - especially the black & white ones - seem to create a very real, slightly chilling, atmosphere. I almost feel you should be producing some Gestapo figures as a sot of "after the event" scenario, but I'm sure the last thing you need is more tasking(!)

'Love it.

Brian

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Posted: Sunday, August 30, 2020 - 01:38 AM UTC
Trees are lookin good yep. Nice start on the chain link as well. Really coming along and a nice overall Tim "fix" for me this morning.
J
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Posted: Saturday, August 29, 2020 - 11:40 AM UTC
Tim,

I've been following your project, and wonder whether you've come across a fascinating book on the subject ... 'The Assassination of Reinhard Heydrich - The True Story of Operation Anthrapoid'' by Callum Macdonald. It's published by Berlinn Ltd (yes, the spelling is correct). ISBN 978 84341 036 2. Certainly worth a read, as it covers both the June 1942 event, and the historical background to Heydrich's reign of terror in Czechoslovakia. I'm in the UK, and picked up my copy in a local book retailer, 'The Works'.

Paul
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Posted: Friday, August 28, 2020 - 02:54 AM UTC
Hi Tim,

Looking great, the fence and gate will look impressive once installed.

Also the view taken down in the gardens looking towards the underpass gives a wonderfully atmospheric feel to the build, .

Cheers, ,

G
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Posted: Friday, August 28, 2020 - 01:55 AM UTC
Slipped into neutral for a while after dealing with some maintenance issues & further modifying the trees…





The gauze-green’s still shows in a few places but I’m not chasing it down any more. Apart from here…



I knew I needed a break after my first attempt at the long fence - here’s the corrected 2nd attempt, apologies for blur but maybe you might still guess what I did wrong first time…



Yep glued the posts @ 90° to the footing. This is one half (68 cms) of the (SLOPING) straight…



Seems they don’t do black veils in diamond-pattern chain-link so I settled for this (bridal or funereal? I said No to the Dress anyhow) as it’s just about to scale…



Maybe he’s got odd socks on too. The House had its own steps up to the road…







Sure getting my money’s worth from the Tram kits’ spare street-furniture sprues. The metal gate’s not secured yet which is why it ain’t straight between the posts. A tad more weathering needed plus weeds & these will be the perches for some of MiniArt’s funky pigeons. The 3rd post goes further along the other half of that side & the chain-link continues all the way beyond it, becoming more dilapidated...



There’s still plenty of room for a moose...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s88r_q7oufE

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Posted: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 - 12:31 AM UTC
Thanks so much for the reassurance guys, I’m sure you all know how easy it is to get too close to see the overall impression as others see it & I’m no exception. Agreed the mono shots do work pretty well, maybe because I slightly tweaked the brightness & contrast to fade the common unrealistic sharpness of close-up photography. Of all the 30-odd photos taken in that session I think the most successful is perhaps the most boring - the 3rd mono shot. Hard to define what makes it look more realistic than, for example, the 4th mono shot but there seems to be a big difference - is it just a fractionally different camera height? Or a less obviously plastic figure due to distance?

If anyone’s considering trying this tree-method I belatedly offer the most important tip of all, if it wasn’t already obvious from those colour photos. I didn’t thin out the green gauze material (Micro-Mark Poly fiber #84922) enough. I did use a small bristle brush to tease it out almost to single strands in places before snagging it onto the branches, but I left far too many denser blobs which is what shows through when the “leaves” don’t completely cover them.

Incidentally the other reason the trees must be removable (apart from for storage) is so I can take photos of the action in any direction as if standing on the curving sidewalk i.e. the camera has to be located in the park. Which means some of the very fragile railings will also need to be detachable, something I’ve only just realised…maybe hinging (? that doesn’t look right…hingeing?) putting hinges on them at one end so they glide open like gates might reduce the risk of irretrievably bending the PE out of shape
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Posted: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 - 05:11 PM UTC
at first, i thought b&w photos where reference.....
incredible work!
ciao
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Posted: Monday, August 17, 2020 - 09:13 PM UTC
Very cool Tim , the b/w's are awesome !!
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Posted: Monday, August 17, 2020 - 05:14 AM UTC
Hi Tim,

Damn, that's some amazing work, and some great photorealistic images, especially the non-colour ones.

Cheers, ,

G