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Should Hitler have invaded Russia?
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Posted: Friday, August 16, 2002 - 12:05 AM UTC

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Yes my freind this is why they call it war was it right to FIREBOMB Dresden and kill100,00 plus people to get a few factories or drop Atomic Bombs on Japan to save American lives.And I don't agree that peole are still the same. Truman would of nuked the country of Afghanistan.

And yes if my country asked me to shoot women and chlidren in the head and they are the enemy of my country then yes I would do this. How many GIs in Vietnam were blown up by these women and children booby traps



Don't EVER compare the US military with the Nazis ande the SS. I also suggest you study more about the decision to drop the bomb. No, Truman would NOT have nuked Afghanistan were he President today. There's no need to even explain why this is no longer the option it was in '45.

I feel very bad for you indeed if you would actually even contemplate having to go out and shoot women and children. People who would do that are the ENEMY of my country!

The U.S. military has, and will continue, to make errors but they will NEVER be murderous pigs!

Steve




Steve---Amen Brother. I get upset sometimes.
DJ



I can't agree more with the last two quotes. I served for ten years and was always taught that we were not to obey unlawful orders.
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Posted: Friday, August 16, 2002 - 01:41 AM UTC
BC--you have that right. Americans are never hesitant to say, "Captain, do you really think we should do that?" Always listen then act.
DJ
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Posted: Friday, August 16, 2002 - 01:58 AM UTC
DJ you don't know how true that is. In fact we (submariners) teach and expect that our crews have a questioning attitude about things. Not because we're kinder and gentler, but because we want to stay alive.
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Posted: Friday, August 16, 2002 - 03:30 AM UTC

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DJ you don't know how true that is. In fact we (submariners) teach and expect that our crews have a questioning attitude about things. Not because we're kinder and gentler, but because we want to stay alive.



COB---you have that ever so right. This is especially true when the military is a draft based unit. Those guys never hesitated to say "do you think this is a good idea?" You might review my post prior to Brother BC's. There is a tendency to view Vietnam veterans as victims of some cruel Oriental warfare. What a Baloney Sandwhich concept! Kids did not go around chucking hand grenades and women did pull AK-47s from under their dresses. They were scared people who were trying to survive. Enough said.
DJ
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Posted: Friday, August 16, 2002 - 08:09 AM UTC
It's O.K. Jeff........cool your jets a little...............................
I don't know what 'traffic accident' kinda mentality I have in me when I feel the need to respond to the more 'heated' threads, but.......(there should be a smiley that shrugs)

I have absolutely NO desire to argue with any of you. I value our Armorama relationship too much for that. But, I must say a couple of things. First. This is to 210 CAV (DJ). If I haven't said it already, I have no problem saying it again. I personally Thank You for your service to our country during the 'Nam. Most people can only guess at the day-in & day-out efforts you had to endure for those who stayed, and those who fled. (you know what i mean).
Secondly., to sgtreef. You absolutely do have the right to question all of these things, as well you should! Your questions are valid and should be addressed realistically. For example, your point about Dresden. If anyone is suggesting that U.S. forces did not know that there would be significant civilian casualities as a result of the firebombing, then they are (IMHO) viewing our involvement with that mission through myopic glasses.

Lastly, and this is just a statement. The difference between murder, and killing in the name of God & Country, is a thin veil indeed.

Tread.
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Posted: Friday, August 16, 2002 - 08:50 AM UTC
And with that I will close this thread as we are obviously no longer talking about "Should Hitler have invaded Russia?".

I am not "pissed" at anyone. But this forum is to talk about history as it relates to the subjects we model. And no one should post here thinking they are going to persuade or change anyones opinions about anything. I accept that there are users here of all political backgrounds and across the whole social spectrum (ultra libral to ultra conservative).

My mind goes to a scene in the movie "The Peacemaker" where the sniper target (carrying a small atomic bomb) can be shot "if" the sniper was willing to risk hitting a child. He doesn't fire and the subject gets away. He is eventually killed and the bomb is rendered non-nuclear when it explodes, but the fact remains. Some of us would have pulled the trigger. And some not. No amount of arguing is going to change the fact that this "humanity" is what makes us who we are. The humanity of some of us to put the lives of ourselves and many others ahead of the one, the few, or the enemy. Or the humanity of those of us who would rather sacrafice themselves and others, to save the lives of the innocent. Both are valid. Both are what makes us human.

Jim

PS: If you feel that you MUST continue this line of conversation you can do so through PM or off site. Thanks.