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The year of Shermans? Meng
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Posted: Sunday, April 14, 2019 - 12:07 PM UTC

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the Asuka kits are starting to age causing poor quality parts (especially for their price). Sink marks, flash, mismatched and short-shot parts.... I'm very excited for this release.



Can't say I've had any flash, sink marks or short shots, but then most of mine are the older Tasca boxings. I've read other complaints about the Asuka kits that makes me wonder if the company changeover affected QC as well as the soaring prices.



Iíve got a bunch of Asuka kits in the stash and they seem every bit as good as my older Tasca offerings. Just got the ĎCougarí M4A3 75 and the parts look great on the sprue. That being said Iím looking forward to the Meng release and hope they do a bunch more variants. I may not live long enough to do them all but Iím gonna try.......



I have several M4A3 76mm tanks from Taska, and a couple 'E2 kits. All these have sink marks in a very poor location:



A bit fuzzy, but it shows the sink mark the best using my lousy camera. Compare the round pin detail for the swing arms for the road wheels. The back side, left, is just fine, but the outer side, right, has a deep sink mark. Those are not going to be easy to fix as they cross through both pins. Hopefully this had been fixed on the new 75mm gun tanks.
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Posted: Sunday, April 14, 2019 - 09:35 PM UTC
I think Meng got confused. According to parts date allocations the manufacture of upswept bogies predated the introduction of M4A3 76mm by a few months.

That means all of them had upswept bogies. But there were a few M4A2 76mm that snuck by with non upswept bogies. It's a really rare variation. The earliest M4A3 76mm with original T23 turrets had upswept bogies. So will Meng give us both and admit their error ( and mine. There's a possibility of non upswept but very highly improbable. Like you'll win the $500 million in the lottery before you find one)

But I thought it was cool to see the one M4A3 with a composite hull that was produced when the hull configuration was being debated.

I love that Sherman minutiae site.
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Posted: Monday, April 15, 2019 - 12:00 AM UTC

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the Asuka kits are starting to age causing poor quality parts (especially for their price). Sink marks, flash, mismatched and short-shot parts.... I'm very excited for this release.



Can't say I've had any flash, sink marks or short shots, but then most of mine are the older Tasca boxings. I've read other complaints about the Asuka kits that makes me wonder if the company changeover affected QC as well as the soaring prices.



Iíve got a bunch of Asuka kits in the stash and they seem every bit as good as my older Tasca offerings. Just got the ĎCougarí M4A3 75 and the parts look great on the sprue. That being said Iím looking forward to the Meng release and hope they do a bunch more variants. I may not live long enough to do them all but Iím gonna try.......



I have several M4A3 76mm tanks from Taska, and a couple 'E2 kits. All these have sink marks in a very poor location:



A bit fuzzy, but it shows the sink mark the best using my lousy camera. Compare the round pin detail for the swing arms for the road wheels. The back side, left, is just fine, but the outer side, right, has a deep sink mark. Those are not going to be easy to fix as they cross through both pins. Hopefully this had been fixed on the new 75mm gun tanks.



The Asuka brand injection moulding is a shambles compared to Tasca's releases.
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Posted: Monday, April 15, 2019 - 01:16 AM UTC

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the Asuka kits are starting to age causing poor quality parts (especially for their price). Sink marks, flash, mismatched and short-shot parts.... I'm very excited for this release.



Can't say I've had any flash, sink marks or short shots, but then most of mine are the older Tasca boxings. I've read other complaints about the Asuka kits that makes me wonder if the company changeover affected QC as well as the soaring prices.



Iíve got a bunch of Asuka kits in the stash and they seem every bit as good as my older Tasca offerings. Just got the ĎCougarí M4A3 75 and the parts look great on the sprue. That being said Iím looking forward to the Meng release and hope they do a bunch more variants. I may not live long enough to do them all but Iím gonna try.......



I have several M4A3 76mm tanks from Taska, and a couple 'E2 kits. All these have sink marks in a very poor location:



A bit fuzzy, but it shows the sink mark the best using my lousy camera. Compare the round pin detail for the swing arms for the road wheels. The back side, left, is just fine, but the outer side, right, has a deep sink mark. Those are not going to be easy to fix as they cross through both pins. Hopefully this had been fixed on the new 75mm gun tanks.



The Asuka brand injection moulding is a shambles compared to Tasca's releases.



Too high a temperature-setting in the molding machines can cause "sinks:... I'm not about to start communicating with ASUKA about that. Too much would be lost in the translation...

If you guys want to see some REAL "sinks" in Sherman and Sherman-related kits, try the ITALERI and TESTORS/ITALERI kits...
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Posted: Monday, April 15, 2019 - 02:03 AM UTC

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I think Meng got confused. According to parts date allocations the manufacture of upswept bogies predated the introduction of M4A3 76mm by a few months.

That means all of them had upswept bogies. But there were a few M4A2 76mm that snuck by with non upswept bogies. It's a really rare variation. The earliest M4A3 76mm with original T23 turrets had upswept bogies. So will Meng give us both and admit their error ( and mine. There's a possibility of non upswept but very highly improbable. Like you'll win the $500 million in the lottery before you find one)

But I thought it was cool to see the one M4A3 with a composite hull that was produced when the hull configuration was being debated.

I love that Sherman minutiae site.



Seems people are missing my point about the "up-angled" Top Roller Brackets- I'm talking about an "odd-ball" FIELD-EXPEDIENT REPAIR, NOT what came out of the factory. You never know; a photo may be unearthed someday that shows just such a field-expedient repair. Stranger things have happened...

It's been mentioned in several other posts within this thread that MENG is addressing the issue at hand. Well, and good...

I'm not going to spend any more time on a minor bone of contention which is already becoming a WASTE of time. If we're going to talk any more about this new kit, let's discuss something more CONSTRUCTIVE. Such as the several different paint/camo schemes that were found on M4-series Mediums involved in the Northwestern Europe/Germany campaigns of 1944-'45...

PS- I think it will be of great interest to ALL to see this and the RYE FIELD E8 kit finally "IN-HAND" and reviewed "IN-DEPTH" on this site...
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Posted: Monday, April 15, 2019 - 03:51 AM UTC

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If you guys want to see some REAL "sinks" in Sherman and Sherman-related kits, try the ITALERI and TESTORS/ITALERI kits...


Right in the middle of the drive sprocket. The edge of every bogie unit.

They don't turn up in newer issues of the kits. In fact some parts have been modified with inserts to avoid sink holes. An Italeri Sherman is worthwhile if you get one cheap. I got the Fury release for $25 and an old M4A1 for $15 to do my M4A1E8.

I really want the post war remanufactured tanks or at least the parts included as an option.
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Posted: Monday, April 15, 2019 - 05:22 AM UTC

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If you guys want to see some REAL "sinks" in Sherman and Sherman-related kits, try the ITALERI and TESTORS/ITALERI kits...


Right in the middle of the drive sprocket. The edge of every bogie unit.

They don't turn up in newer issues of the kits. In fact some parts have been modified with inserts to avoid sink holes. An Italeri Sherman is worthwhile if you get one cheap. I got the Fury release for $25 and an old M4A1 for $15 to do my M4A1E8.

I really want the post war remanufactured tanks or at least the parts included as an option.



Yeah, these sink marks that you've just mentioned and those UNSIGHTLY HUGE VERTICAL ONES which show up on both sides of the earlier M4A1 kits' Upper Hulls...

Good Luck with those "post-war re-mans"- We'll count ourselves lucky if we actually get this A3 and MAYBE a couple of the earlier M4s and M4A1s...
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Posted: Monday, April 15, 2019 - 07:00 AM UTC

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The Asuka brand injection moulding is a shambles compared to Tasca's releases.



Sadly, I have to agree.
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Posted: Monday, April 15, 2019 - 07:10 AM UTC

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Right in the middle of the drive sprocket. The edge of every bogie unit.



Ah, the good old days! I would get 2 M4A1's hoping to get at least one good set of sprockets. The other sink marks I would fill in. The kits were $8.00 US at the local toy stores. Don't forget those road wheels!

I'm really hoping this new kit will a good one.
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Posted: Monday, April 15, 2019 - 07:16 AM UTC

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Yeah, these sink marks that you've just mentioned and those UNSIGHTLY HUGE VERTICAL ONES which show up on both sides of the earlier M4A1 kits' Upper Hulls...

Good Luck with those "post-war re-mans"- We'll count ourselves lucky if we actually get this A3 and MAYBE a couple of the earlier M4s and M4A1s...



Well, if they did that berge-whatever, we can dream of those rare but nifty Shermans! AND, that Ram from Bronco I'm wanting Meng and RFM to duke it out, and see what comes out of the fight!
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Posted: Monday, April 15, 2019 - 08:00 AM UTC

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Yeah, these sink marks that you've just mentioned and those UNSIGHTLY HUGE VERTICAL ONES which show up on both sides of the earlier M4A1 kits' Upper Hulls...

Good Luck with those "post-war re-mans"- We'll count ourselves lucky if we actually get this A3 and MAYBE a couple of the earlier M4s and M4A1s...



Well, if they did that berge-whatever, we can dream of those rare but nifty Shermans! AND, that Ram from Bronco I'm wanting Meng and RFM to duke it out, and see what comes out of the fight!



Hi, Randall! (Or can we call you Randy?)

I LIKE that "berge-whatever" of yours! The "Panzer-Clique" will be after your scalp for that one!!!

Yes, MENG and RFM "duking it out" would be GREAT!!!

But isn't RFM supposed to be doing an M4A3E8..? Doesn't matter, really... What COUNTS is TWO NEW SHERMIES!!!

What say TAKOM, TAMIYA(?), MINIART, ACADEMY, BRONCO, TRUMPY, HOBBY BOSS, ICM, ZVEZDA, ASUKA or even AMUSING HOBBY and anyone ELSE that has a hankering to, all get into "The Battle of the Shermans"??? Boy, wouldn't the FUR FLY, huh?

I could go for up-dated newly-tooled kits of the older M4s and M4A1s...
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Posted: Monday, April 15, 2019 - 01:40 PM UTC

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Yeah, these sink marks that you've just mentioned and those UNSIGHTLY HUGE VERTICAL ONES which show up on both sides of the earlier M4A1 kits' Upper Hulls...

Good Luck with those "post-war re-mans"- We'll count ourselves lucky if we actually get this A3 and MAYBE a couple of the earlier M4s and M4A1s...



Well, if they did that berge-whatever, we can dream of those rare but nifty Shermans! AND, that Ram from Bronco I'm wanting Meng and RFM to duke it out, and see what comes out of the fight!



Hi, Randall! (Or can we call you Randy?)

I LIKE that "berge-whatever" of yours! The "Panzer-Clique" will be after your scalp for that one!!!

Yes, MENG and RFM "duking it out" would be GREAT!!!

But isn't RFM supposed to be doing an M4A3E8..? Doesn't matter, really... What COUNTS is TWO NEW SHERMIES!!!

What say TAKOM, TAMIYA(?), MINIART, ACADEMY, BRONCO, TRUMPY, HOBBY BOSS, ICM, ZVEZDA, ASUKA or even AMUSING HOBBY and anyone ELSE that has a hankering to, all get into "The Battle of the Shermans"??? Boy, wouldn't the FUR FLY, huh?

I could go for up-dated newly-tooled kits of the older M4s and M4A1s...



Randy is fine. I've been called many names, a number in languages I don't understand!

Most of the Asuka/Taska kits I have are M4A1's. It's my favorite early M4.

Really, I am happier than anyone the Berge was made, by multiple manufacturers. It's just not on my want list. However, a well selling model will fund a lot more not so well selling models. The money I was saving for a JadgPanther will now got to a Meng M4A3!

My wall of German armor kits will have to wait a little while longer is all.
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Posted: Monday, April 15, 2019 - 02:13 PM UTC
What you can be sure of is that Dragon will re-box and reissue their kits to compete. Airfix will also be issuing a Sherman later this year which I suspect is a re-box of the Academy kit.
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Posted: Monday, April 15, 2019 - 08:12 PM UTC
Vell, hopefully zis will put at least a temporary hold on ze anti-panzer vining und bi#ching!
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Posted: Monday, April 15, 2019 - 09:50 PM UTC

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I have several M4A3 76mm tanks from Taska, and a couple 'E2 kits. All these have sink marks in a very poor location:



A bit fuzzy, but it shows the sink mark the best using my lousy camera. Compare the round pin detail for the swing arms for the road wheels. The back side, left, is just fine, but the outer side, right, has a deep sink mark. Those are not going to be easy to fix as they cross through both pins. Hopefully this had been fixed on the new 75mm gun tanks.



I just noticed an error. I meant to say Asuka, not Taska. All the older Taska kits I have are good.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 - 12:13 AM UTC

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What you can be sure of is that Dragon will re-box and reissue their kits to compete. Airfix will also be issuing a Sherman later this year which I suspect is a re-box of the Academy kit.



Hello, Norman!

As I understand it, the "new" AIRFIX 1/35 Armor kits for 2019/2020 will be re-boxings of the ACADEMY kits, with some tweakings here and there, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. As I'm primarily an aircraft modeler, I have to mention that I REALLY like the "NEW AIRFIX'" 1/48 aircraft kits, ESPECIALLY their fighters, their Stuka, Defiant and Blenheim kits! Beautifully done!

Hopefully, AIRFIX will continue this trend with their 1/35 Armor, even if they are re-boxings of the ACADEMY kits...
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Posted: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 - 12:21 AM UTC

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Yeah, these sink marks that you've just mentioned and those UNSIGHTLY HUGE VERTICAL ONES which show up on both sides of the earlier M4A1 kits' Upper Hulls...

Good Luck with those "post-war re-mans"- We'll count ourselves lucky if we actually get this A3 and MAYBE a couple of the earlier M4s and M4A1s...



Well, if they did that berge-whatever, we can dream of those rare but nifty Shermans! AND, that Ram from Bronco I'm wanting Meng and RFM to duke it out, and see what comes out of the fight!



Hi, Randall! (Or can we call you Randy?)

I LIKE that "berge-whatever" of yours! The "Panzer-Clique" will be after your scalp for that one!!!

Yes, MENG and RFM "duking it out" would be GREAT!!!

But isn't RFM supposed to be doing an M4A3E8..? Doesn't matter, really... What COUNTS is TWO NEW SHERMIES!!!

What say TAKOM, TAMIYA(?), MINIART, ACADEMY, BRONCO, TRUMPY, HOBBY BOSS, ICM, ZVEZDA, ASUKA or even AMUSING HOBBY and anyone ELSE that has a hankering to, all get into "The Battle of the Shermans"??? Boy, wouldn't the FUR FLY, huh?

I could go for up-dated newly-tooled kits of the older M4s and M4A1s...



Randy is fine. I've been called many names, a number in languages I don't understand!

Most of the Asuka/Taska kits I have are M4A1's. It's my favorite early M4.

Really, I am happier than anyone the Berge was made, by multiple manufacturers. It's just not on my want list. However, a well selling model will fund a lot more not so well selling models. The money I was saving for a JadgPanther will now got to a Meng M4A3!

My wall of German armor kits will have to wait a little while longer is all.



Hi, Randy!

Re: The early M4s/M4A1s- We're in agreement there, MOST CERTAINLY!!!

Actually, I would have PREFERRED that MENG did either or BOTH of the earlier M4 and M4A1s, rather than the M4A3 76mm (Wet), but I'M NOT complaining!!!
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Posted: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 - 04:23 AM UTC

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What you can be sure of is that Dragon will re-box and reissue their kits to compete. Airfix will also be issuing a Sherman later this year which I suspect is a re-box of the Academy kit.



Hello, Norman!

As I understand it, the "new" AIRFIX 1/35 Armor kits for 2019/2020 will be re-boxings of the ACADEMY kits, with some tweakings here and there, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. As I'm primarily an aircraft modeler, I have to mention that I REALLY like the "NEW AIRFIX'" 1/48 aircraft kits, ESPECIALLY their fighters, their Stuka, Defiant and Blenheim kits! Beautifully done!

Hopefully, AIRFIX will continue this trend with their 1/35 Armor, even if they are re-boxings of the ACADEMY kits...



Look at the Airfix site and the markings choices are great. The Stuart will include markings for the US tank battalion in the Philippines in 1942.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 - 04:59 AM UTC
Meng has updated their CAD drawing on their FB site.
https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2200077136772265&id=195290177250981&set=a.200850930028239&refid=13&__tn__=%2B%3E
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Posted: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 - 05:26 AM UTC
AFAIK, after the tsumani inside Tasca and partners splitting away, Asuka went to another, different company for the injection of their kits, old an new. Moulds have to be set and arranged in a way according to the characteristics of the moulding machine you are going to use. If the machine is changed you can still inject the moulds, of course, but then some troubles can arise (different pressure, temperatures, flow speed, plastic formula, etc).

Glad anyway Meng corrects those bogies. Marketing fog to cover poor initial research, but if the "wrong" set is included complete in the box, it could be used maybe to update other kits.
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That answers all our questions.
Both suspension types
All Three types of gun barrels
Suspension with the volutes working just like real as little nested springs on the bogie arms.
Track is metal pins sandwiched between pads and then end connectors added.

I won't be buying one. I want a model to build, not a lesson in how vertical volute suspension worked. That 20+ piece Dragon HVSS is bad, this looks worse and may only be a precursor of what to expect from Miniart.

I still say Miniart is delaying the Lee/Grant because they are stuck in how to increase the part count. Every nested volute spring a separate part? Genius.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 - 07:49 AM UTC
I don't FB, so I don't know if the pictures can be made larger, but I don't see anything that makes me want to skip this model.

The suspension springs are a gimmick I could do without, but can live with, (want to bet the RFM will now have real springs?) and I glue the suspension in place anyhow.

The tracks look like a combination of Bronco and Kaizen. I want a closer look at the parts before I get a negative feeling. I really hope the track pins are pre-cut to size. Track part count looks extreme! 2 track pads, 2 track pins and 2 end connectors times 78 tracks comes out as 468 per side, times 2 means 936 parts in the tracks alone. Not much left for the interior.

It looks like the full gun is in the kit, which show promise of a partial interior.
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Thanks Ken. I detect the sockets for the spring adjustment plugs on the top of the boogies. It's looking even better.

Now we need to know when we will get them!