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If you guys want to see some REAL "sinks" in Sherman and Sherman-related kits, try the ITALERI and TESTORS/ITALERI kits...


Right in the middle of the drive sprocket. The edge of every bogie unit.

They don't turn up in newer issues of the kits. In fact some parts have been modified with inserts to avoid sink holes. An Italeri Sherman is worthwhile if you get one cheap. I got the Fury release for $25 and an old M4A1 for $15 to do my M4A1E8.

I really want the post war remanufactured tanks or at least the parts included as an option.



Yeah, these sink marks that you've just mentioned and those UNSIGHTLY HUGE VERTICAL ONES which show up on both sides of the earlier M4A1 kits' Upper Hulls...

Good Luck with those "post-war re-mans"- We'll count ourselves lucky if we actually get this A3 and MAYBE a couple of the earlier M4s and M4A1s...
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Posted: Monday, April 15, 2019 - 03:51 AM UTC

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If you guys want to see some REAL "sinks" in Sherman and Sherman-related kits, try the ITALERI and TESTORS/ITALERI kits...


Right in the middle of the drive sprocket. The edge of every bogie unit.

They don't turn up in newer issues of the kits. In fact some parts have been modified with inserts to avoid sink holes. An Italeri Sherman is worthwhile if you get one cheap. I got the Fury release for $25 and an old M4A1 for $15 to do my M4A1E8.

I really want the post war remanufactured tanks or at least the parts included as an option.
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Posted: Monday, April 15, 2019 - 02:03 AM UTC

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I think Meng got confused. According to parts date allocations the manufacture of upswept bogies predated the introduction of M4A3 76mm by a few months.

That means all of them had upswept bogies. But there were a few M4A2 76mm that snuck by with non upswept bogies. It's a really rare variation. The earliest M4A3 76mm with original T23 turrets had upswept bogies. So will Meng give us both and admit their error ( and mine. There's a possibility of non upswept but very highly improbable. Like you'll win the $500 million in the lottery before you find one)

But I thought it was cool to see the one M4A3 with a composite hull that was produced when the hull configuration was being debated.

I love that Sherman minutiae site.



Seems people are missing my point about the "up-angled" Top Roller Brackets- I'm talking about an "odd-ball" FIELD-EXPEDIENT REPAIR, NOT what came out of the factory. You never know; a photo may be unearthed someday that shows just such a field-expedient repair. Stranger things have happened...

It's been mentioned in several other posts within this thread that MENG is addressing the issue at hand. Well, and good...

I'm not going to spend any more time on a minor bone of contention which is already becoming a WASTE of time. If we're going to talk any more about this new kit, let's discuss something more CONSTRUCTIVE. Such as the several different paint/camo schemes that were found on M4-series Mediums involved in the Northwestern Europe/Germany campaigns of 1944-'45...

PS- I think it will be of great interest to ALL to see this and the RYE FIELD E8 kit finally "IN-HAND" and reviewed "IN-DEPTH" on this site...
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Posted: Monday, April 15, 2019 - 01:16 AM UTC

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the Asuka kits are starting to age causing poor quality parts (especially for their price). Sink marks, flash, mismatched and short-shot parts.... I'm very excited for this release.



Can't say I've had any flash, sink marks or short shots, but then most of mine are the older Tasca boxings. I've read other complaints about the Asuka kits that makes me wonder if the company changeover affected QC as well as the soaring prices.



Iíve got a bunch of Asuka kits in the stash and they seem every bit as good as my older Tasca offerings. Just got the ĎCougarí M4A3 75 and the parts look great on the sprue. That being said Iím looking forward to the Meng release and hope they do a bunch more variants. I may not live long enough to do them all but Iím gonna try.......



I have several M4A3 76mm tanks from Taska, and a couple 'E2 kits. All these have sink marks in a very poor location:



A bit fuzzy, but it shows the sink mark the best using my lousy camera. Compare the round pin detail for the swing arms for the road wheels. The back side, left, is just fine, but the outer side, right, has a deep sink mark. Those are not going to be easy to fix as they cross through both pins. Hopefully this had been fixed on the new 75mm gun tanks.



The Asuka brand injection moulding is a shambles compared to Tasca's releases.



Too high a temperature-setting in the molding machines can cause "sinks:... I'm not about to start communicating with ASUKA about that. Too much would be lost in the translation...

If you guys want to see some REAL "sinks" in Sherman and Sherman-related kits, try the ITALERI and TESTORS/ITALERI kits...
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Posted: Monday, April 15, 2019 - 12:00 AM UTC

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the Asuka kits are starting to age causing poor quality parts (especially for their price). Sink marks, flash, mismatched and short-shot parts.... I'm very excited for this release.



Can't say I've had any flash, sink marks or short shots, but then most of mine are the older Tasca boxings. I've read other complaints about the Asuka kits that makes me wonder if the company changeover affected QC as well as the soaring prices.



Iíve got a bunch of Asuka kits in the stash and they seem every bit as good as my older Tasca offerings. Just got the ĎCougarí M4A3 75 and the parts look great on the sprue. That being said Iím looking forward to the Meng release and hope they do a bunch more variants. I may not live long enough to do them all but Iím gonna try.......



I have several M4A3 76mm tanks from Taska, and a couple 'E2 kits. All these have sink marks in a very poor location:



A bit fuzzy, but it shows the sink mark the best using my lousy camera. Compare the round pin detail for the swing arms for the road wheels. The back side, left, is just fine, but the outer side, right, has a deep sink mark. Those are not going to be easy to fix as they cross through both pins. Hopefully this had been fixed on the new 75mm gun tanks.



The Asuka brand injection moulding is a shambles compared to Tasca's releases.
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Posted: Sunday, April 14, 2019 - 09:35 PM UTC
I think Meng got confused. According to parts date allocations the manufacture of upswept bogies predated the introduction of M4A3 76mm by a few months.

That means all of them had upswept bogies. But there were a few M4A2 76mm that snuck by with non upswept bogies. It's a really rare variation. The earliest M4A3 76mm with original T23 turrets had upswept bogies. So will Meng give us both and admit their error ( and mine. There's a possibility of non upswept but very highly improbable. Like you'll win the $500 million in the lottery before you find one)

But I thought it was cool to see the one M4A3 with a composite hull that was produced when the hull configuration was being debated.

I love that Sherman minutiae site.
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Posted: Sunday, April 14, 2019 - 12:07 PM UTC

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the Asuka kits are starting to age causing poor quality parts (especially for their price). Sink marks, flash, mismatched and short-shot parts.... I'm very excited for this release.



Can't say I've had any flash, sink marks or short shots, but then most of mine are the older Tasca boxings. I've read other complaints about the Asuka kits that makes me wonder if the company changeover affected QC as well as the soaring prices.



Iíve got a bunch of Asuka kits in the stash and they seem every bit as good as my older Tasca offerings. Just got the ĎCougarí M4A3 75 and the parts look great on the sprue. That being said Iím looking forward to the Meng release and hope they do a bunch more variants. I may not live long enough to do them all but Iím gonna try.......



I have several M4A3 76mm tanks from Taska, and a couple 'E2 kits. All these have sink marks in a very poor location:



A bit fuzzy, but it shows the sink mark the best using my lousy camera. Compare the round pin detail for the swing arms for the road wheels. The back side, left, is just fine, but the outer side, right, has a deep sink mark. Those are not going to be easy to fix as they cross through both pins. Hopefully this had been fixed on the new 75mm gun tanks.
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I just hope the kit comes with upswept return rollers. I'm pretty sure no M4A3 76(w) had the straight return rollers.

John



Hi, John!

Actually, photographic evidence shows that MANY different M4-series Tanks could be equipped with EITHER the Early or Later type of Return Roller Brackets, but usually not on the same Tank at the same time.

IMO, I think that it would be wise for MENG to issue their new M4A3 76mm (Wet) kits with BOTH styles, following suit to TAMIYA, ACADEMY, DRAGON and TASCA/ASUKA. I believe that ITALERI and TESTORS/ITALERI were really the only model companies that issued their Shermans and Sherman-based kits with only the later-style Return Roller Brackets. I really wouldn't have any fears over that if I were you...


Dennis, large hatch 'A3 should only have upswept return roller brackets.
http://the.shadock.free.fr/sherman_minutia/manufacturer/m4a376w/m4a3_76w.html

Dan




Dan- EXCEPT in the FIELD, where FIELD-EXPEDIENCY is the rule... Thanks for your note, BTW! [/quote

Do you have a photo of one? I've never seen one.
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I'm also waiting for a Sherman with interior, in specifically the HVSS variants. Having the T-34/85 interior from AFV and the Tiger I from RFM, the Sherman is on the very top of my wish list.

On the subject about the versions, the M4A2 76W HVSS (or M4A2E8 76) was used to replace the Sherman Grizzly I as the training vehicle, and Canadian tankers then used the M4A3 76W HVSS during the Korea War (according to the vet at my tiny local museum). Even though it was only training vehicle, it is still somewhat nice to have.

Im not sure if the Soviet did get the HVSS variant of the M4A2 76W or not because most of the info give me the VVSS variant. I do know that the Russia has some M4A2 76W HVSS in museum, though, I hear that they are savaged around the world and from bottom of the sea.

The M4A1 76W HVSS was used by the French and some 3rd world countries.


Fisher Tank Arsenal switched over fully to the HVSS by January, 1945, but the four-month turnaround from factory floor to front line meant that the M4A2 76 W HVSS (M4A2E8) missed the war in Europe. The Soviets did send them to the Far East to engage the Japanese in August, 1945, and several were photographed there, but reportedly. they saw no combat.
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Posted: Sunday, April 14, 2019 - 09:01 AM UTC

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I just hope the kit comes with upswept return rollers. I'm pretty sure no M4A3 76(w) had the straight return rollers.

John



Hi, John!

Actually, photographic evidence shows that MANY different M4-series Tanks could be equipped with EITHER the Early or Later type of Return Roller Brackets, but usually not on the same Tank at the same time.

IMO, I think that it would be wise for MENG to issue their new M4A3 76mm (Wet) kits with BOTH styles, following suit to TAMIYA, ACADEMY, DRAGON and TASCA/ASUKA. I believe that ITALERI and TESTORS/ITALERI were really the only model companies that issued their Shermans and Sherman-based kits with only the later-style Return Roller Brackets. I really wouldn't have any fears over that if I were you...



Whilst you are correct and the parts are interchangeable i have yet to see a 47 deg large hatch M4A3 with anything other than Upswept Return roller support arms.
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"M4A2 with 24in tracks and torsion bar suspension"...



.....Koolness






THANK YOU, ERIC!

This IS the critter; you've supplied a slightly different photo of it from another angle...



Even has it's own specific designation M4A2E4. The suspension looks similar to the T20E3 which would put it in the line of development to the M26.

Personally I'd love to see the whole T20, T23 series in plastic to go with the German wartime prototype kits that are trickling out.



AGREE...

Re: The designation M4A2E4- Sorry that I didn't catch that. The photo in my book is A LOT smaller, and my old Mk.I eyeballs just aren't what they used to be...
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I just hope the kit comes with upswept return rollers. I'm pretty sure no M4A3 76(w) had the straight return rollers.

John



Hi, John!

Actually, photographic evidence shows that MANY different M4-series Tanks could be equipped with EITHER the Early or Later type of Return Roller Brackets, but usually not on the same Tank at the same time.

IMO, I think that it would be wise for MENG to issue their new M4A3 76mm (Wet) kits with BOTH styles, following suit to TAMIYA, ACADEMY, DRAGON and TASCA/ASUKA. I believe that ITALERI and TESTORS/ITALERI were really the only model companies that issued their Shermans and Sherman-based kits with only the later-style Return Roller Brackets. I really wouldn't have any fears over that if I were you...


Dennis, large hatch 'A3 should only have upswept return roller brackets.
http://the.shadock.free.fr/sherman_minutia/manufacturer/m4a376w/m4a3_76w.html

Dan




Dan- EXCEPT in the FIELD, where FIELD-EXPEDIENCY is the rule... Thanks for your note, BTW!
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Puzzling, with all the superb books and info around on Shermans, we have Meng still making errors, at least in their CADs. A lack of research and attention to basic details I hope they correct before releasing this kit.



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Puzzling, with all the superb books and info around on Shermans, we have Meng still making errors, at least in their CADs. A lack of research and attention to basic details I hope they correct before releasing this kit.



I have messaged Meng on their Facebook page about the issue and was told that they will announce more information about the kit next week. I'm not sure what that means but I hope they correct it.
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Puzzling, with all the superb books and info around on Shermans, we have Meng still making errors, at least in their CADs. A lack of research and attention to basic details I hope they correct before releasing this kit.
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Posted: Sunday, April 14, 2019 - 05:02 AM UTC

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I just hope the kit comes with upswept return rollers. I'm pretty sure no M4A3 76(w) had the straight return rollers.

John



Hi, John!

Actually, photographic evidence shows that MANY different M4-series Tanks could be equipped with EITHER the Early or Later type of Return Roller Brackets, but usually not on the same Tank at the same time.

IMO, I think that it would be wise for MENG to issue their new M4A3 76mm (Wet) kits with BOTH styles, following suit to TAMIYA, ACADEMY, DRAGON and TASCA/ASUKA. I believe that ITALERI and TESTORS/ITALERI were really the only model companies that issued their Shermans and Sherman-based kits with only the later-style Return Roller Brackets. I really wouldn't have any fears over that if I were you...


Dennis, large hatch 'A3 should only have upswept return roller brackets.
http://the.shadock.free.fr/sherman_minutia/manufacturer/m4a376w/m4a3_76w.html

Dan

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"M4A2 with 24in tracks and torsion bar suspension"...



.....Koolness






THANK YOU, ERIC!

This IS the critter; you've supplied a slightly different photo of it from another angle...



Even has it's own specific designation M4A2E4. The suspension looks similar to the T20E3 which would put it in the line of development to the M26.

Personally I'd love to see the whole T20, T23 series in plastic to go with the German wartime prototype kits that are trickling out.
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Not sure about those "torsion bars" on a Sherman, but my guess about the track is they could be using an engineering plastic like Tamiya used on its Mk IV WWI tank so they aren't as breakable as styrene. Time will tell...



Which "Torsion Bars" are you referring to..? ON a Sherman..? There WAS however, at least ONE M4A2 which was tested with a six-Double-Road Wheel (per side) Torsion-Bar Suspension, using wider 24-inch Tracks, Sprockets and Rear Idlers. The HVSS-type Suspension was adopted, instead...



Hi Dennis,

The link to the poster has "workable track" and "workable torsion bars" written on it! Of course, the actual subject M4A3 VVSS doesn't have any torsion bars, but as stated by others it may be a mis-translation for the bogie arms and springs...



About 20 years ago when AFV-Club did their VVSS suspension set it was advertised as having working torsion bars which referred to the bogie arms.

As for the high strength workable tracks? That probably refers to a snap together track that doesn't pop apart when you look at it cross eyed. A lot of times with transliteration in addition to translation it's not the actual words as opposed to the intended meaning that counts.

Meng is doing a first production M4A3 76mm which just like first M4A1 and M4A2 76mm could have had the straight arms. The first ones were produced along side 75mm tanks not instead of, the M4A1 line was totally switched over very soon. There's a whole lot of mix and match in Sherman minutiae and the watch word is "Never, say NEVER" You'll proclaim it didn't exist and up will pop a photo of it or worse yet an existing example.

Just like I found an example of a remanufactured M4A1 in NW Europe with the original top return roller bogies. It shouldn't exist. Applique armor and a M34A1 mantle and original bogies. But... but... There's another shot of a tank with a mix of the top return roller and trailing return roller bogies.

And road wheels were always mixed. I've seen one Sherman with a mixture of open spoke, solid spoke and solid dished road wheels. Another reason I like Academy kits. They give all three types in many of their Sherman kits so you can mix and match.



Hi, Steve!

A LOT has been, and still IS lost in translation and transliteration, which has caused all kinds of "messes" through the ages...

As to photos, and THIS may be of interest to all our fellow Sherman-fans; if ANYONE out there has the older SQUADRON "In Action #2016 book, "SHERMAN in action", by Bruce Culver, check out the full-page photo on page 3. If I may quote the caption on page 2,

"Vehicles of the 752nd Tank Battallion, attached to the Fifth Army, wait in the Plaza Emanuel, Bologna, Italy near the end of the war. Even at this late date, 21 April, 1945, there is an ancient early production M4 [4th from the right, front row] still retaining its direct vision slots in the glacis plate. Note the variety of vehicles, including M5A1 light tanks and M18 tank destroyers, and the difference in crew stowage and fitting details."

In addition, I would like to say that all of the M4-series types in this photo seem to have the welded hulls, i.e, no cast-hull M4A1s, and there also seems to be a pleasant mix of 75mm and 76mm-type tanks in the mix! They ALSO seem to be sporting a variety of US National Markings, to boot!

I do so WISH that this photo had been taken in color film, (maybe it was, but the author and publisher only had a black & white image to work with?), if only to prove to the "Panzer-Clique" that ALL Shermans WERE NOT painted in TAMIYA XF-62 Olive Drab...


What Steve mentioned about the extra suspension and wheel parts in the 1/35 ACADEMY kits is true; some of the older SHANGHAI DRAGON/DML kits also included these parts, but ACADEMY's were/are better-executed. DRAGON AND ACADEMY Shermans, (I'm not going to include ITALERI's) have been pooh-poohed for various reasons in favor of the TASCA/ASUKA kits, which I won't go into now. TAMIYA's E8s and the Israeli types? They're good too, but they have their faults, as well. I like ALL FOUR sets of manufacturers, and now it seems that TWO more manufacturers will be adding grist to the Sherman mill.

"Not enough variety!!!" says the "Panzer-Clique"- Those guys DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT...
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Sounds good! I think I've seen a pic of the beast at some point - there was a lot of experimentation that we don't often see. If you build it, you have to post it here!



I'll have to get a digital camera with a USB port, first!
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"M4A2 with 24in tracks and torsion bar suspension"...



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THANK YOU, ERIC!

This IS the critter; you've supplied a slightly different photo of it from another angle...
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I never said this was a M4A2, just that I would like to see one next. I am well aware of other manufacturers making kits of it. Slow down.....

Chris



Hi, Chris!

A misunderstanding, that's all... No harm intended!

Let's hope that MENG will follow suit with more M4 Medium-series kits, ESPECIALLY the earlier types...
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I never said this was a M4A2, just that I would like to see one next. I am well aware of other manufacturers making kits of it. Slow down.....

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Not sure about those "torsion bars" on a Sherman, but my guess about the track is they could be using an engineering plastic like Tamiya used on its Mk IV WWI tank so they aren't as breakable as styrene. Time will tell...



Which "Torsion Bars" are you referring to..? ON a Sherman..? There WAS however, at least ONE M4A2 which was tested with a six-Double-Road Wheel (per side) Torsion-Bar Suspension, using wider 24-inch Tracks, Sprockets and Rear Idlers. The HVSS-type Suspension was adopted, instead...



Hi Dennis,

The link to the poster has "workable track" and "workable torsion bars" written on it! Of course, the actual subject M4A3 VVSS doesn't have any torsion bars, but as stated by others it may be a mis-translation for the bogie arms and springs...



About 20 years ago when AFV-Club did their VVSS suspension set it was advertised as having working torsion bars which referred to the bogie arms.

As for the high strength workable tracks? That probably refers to a snap together track that doesn't pop apart when you look at it cross eyed. A lot of times with transliteration in addition to translation it's not the actual words as opposed to the intended meaning that counts.

Meng is doing a first production M4A3 76mm which just like first M4A1 and M4A2 76mm could have had the straight arms. The first ones were produced along side 75mm tanks not instead of, the M4A1 line was totally switched over very soon. There's a whole lot of mix and match in Sherman minutiae and the watch word is "Never, say NEVER" You'll proclaim it didn't exist and up will pop a photo of it or worse yet an existing example.

Just like I found an example of a remanufactured M4A1 in NW Europe with the original top return roller bogies. It shouldn't exist. Applique armor and a M34A1 mantle and original bogies. But... but... There's another shot of a tank with a mix of the top return roller and trailing return roller bogies.

And road wheels were always mixed. I've seen one Sherman with a mixture of open spoke, solid spoke and solid dished road wheels. Another reason I like Academy kits. They give all three types in many of their Sherman kits so you can mix and match.
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Sounds good! I think I've seen a pic of the beast at some point - there was a lot of experimentation that we don't often see. If you build it, you have to post it here!