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Moving into the manly scale of 1/16
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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2018 - 04:23 AM UTC
Since we(myself included) are all not getting any younger and suffering the inevitable challenges that entails,mainly eyesight issues,I decided to test the waters concerning 1/16 stuff. Start out easy,with just a figure,and see what happens. I have 2 Tamiya figs I bought cheap when my favorite hobby shop folded. The German MG42 gunner and the ammo bearer.
I wanted to show an actual soldier and not a fresh clean guy looking like a Goebbels poster. So I began with this pose.From the box.


He looks like a Nordic God,semi goose stepping and that will not do!
here he is with some adjustments



Boots adjusted so he has more of a tired shuffle going on. Shortened his neck and canted his body.

Had to decide which carrying position he should be in with the MG42.
This one or...



this one



decided the slung version conveyed the tired look better.
So...let the mods begin!



removed unwanted detail



And began reconstruction with the legs first. Blended the trousers with the boot. Modified the boots a bit for a less new look and started adding a nice rip to the one pants leg.



The rips' edges will be thinned out when the putty dries.
Happy to entertain any queries as usual,
J
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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2018 - 06:02 AM UTC
Tightened up the tear in the trousers and the ends of the pant legs. Began work on the helmet cover as well.



Helmet cover with clips on back and sides.





What is the consensus on the helmet cover? Late style with foliage loops or early without?
J
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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2018 - 06:20 AM UTC
Looking really good. I liked what you do with 1/35 scale stuff and this one is going to be even more detailed.

Keep the photos coming.

Mario
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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2018 - 06:39 AM UTC
No kidding, this guy does look like a Goebbels' poster boy.
I'm gonna follow along on this one Jerry. I've been playing with Dragon's 1/16th offerings, but nothing to your extent.
Thanks for sharing and please keep us updated !
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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2018 - 07:10 AM UTC
The thing is - without initiating a race war (!) - German soldiers did, apparently, look like Goebbels's "poster boys"; consider this quote from Andrew Wilson, a former Churchill , upon espying a collection of German dead in Normandy 1944 (he writes in the third person):

"They went further along the trench. The dead lay everywhere. It was odd how alike they looked: all young, all with strong white teeth in mouths where the flies were gathering, all with the same golden sun-tan, now like a mask on the bloodless faces beneath. Wilson couldn't help comparing them with the usual British infantry platoon, with all its mixtures which were a sergeant-major's nightmare - the tall and short, bandy-legged and lanky, heavy-limbed countrymen and scruffy, swarthy Brummagem boys with eternally undone gaiters. Even in death, he found something frightening about so much fine German manhood".

From "Flamethrower" by Andrew Wilson. Well worth a read in any case, although you may find yourself reaching for a Crocodile kit or two.
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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2018 - 07:12 AM UTC

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The thing is - without initiating a race war (!) - German soldiers did, apparently, look like Goebbels's "poster boys"; consider this quote from Andrew Wilson, a former Churchill , upon espying a collection of German dead in Normandy 1944 (he writes in the third person):

"They went further along the trench. The dead lay everywhere. It was odd how alike they looked: all young, all with strong white teeth in mouths where the flies were gathering, all with the same golden sun-tan, now like a mask on the bloodless faces beneath. Wilson couldn't help comparing them with the usual British infantry platoon, with all its mixtures which were a sergeant-major's nightmare - the tall and short, bandy-legged and lanky, heavy-limbed countrymen and scruffy, swarthy Brummagem boys with eternally undone gaiters. Even in death, he found something frightening about so much fine German manhood".

From "Flamethrower" by Andrew Wilson. Well worth a read in any case, although you may find yourself reaching for a Crocodile kit or two.



Damn. A mis-type - the first sentence should of course, read " a former Churchill Crocodile commander"
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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2018 - 09:21 AM UTC
Jerry you seem to have a natural talent for this and so my question is why don't you build from scratch?
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 - 12:53 AM UTC
Damn Jerry, you are a true artist! I wish I could do the sort of magic you do with figures. Cheers!
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 - 03:25 AM UTC
Jerry this is awesome, great beginning!
I'm in complete agreement with regards to the various shortcomings as we all move along in time.

In the last few years I've been slowly stockpiling Dragon, Tamiya, Miniart, and waay too many Verlinden figures in 1/16 as well. Just haven't been able to post anything yet.

So please keep rockin' on, really look frwd to what evolves this one.

Sincerely
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 - 04:29 AM UTC

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Looking really good. I liked what you do with 1/35 scale stuff and this one is going to be even more detailed.

Keep the photos coming.

Mario




Thanks Mario! Thanks Ivanhoe!!
I will do my best!
J
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 - 04:34 AM UTC

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The thing is - without initiating a race war (!) - German soldiers did, apparently, look like Goebbels's "poster boys"; consider this quote from Andrew Wilson, a former Churchill , upon espying a collection of German dead in Normandy 1944 (he writes in the third person):

"They went further along the trench. The dead lay everywhere. It was odd how alike they looked: all young, all with strong white teeth in mouths where the flies were gathering, all with the same golden sun-tan, now like a mask on the bloodless faces beneath. Wilson couldn't help comparing them with the usual British infantry platoon, with all its mixtures which were a sergeant-major's nightmare - the tall and short, bandy-legged and lanky, heavy-limbed countrymen and scruffy, swarthy Brummagem boys with eternally undone gaiters. Even in death, he found something frightening about so much fine German manhood".

From "Flamethrower" by Andrew Wilson. Well worth a read in any case, although you may find yourself reaching for a Crocodile kit or two.



Damn. A mis-type - the first sentence should of course, read " a former Churchill Crocodile commander"






I read this description as well a long time ago. I always wondered where the guy saw these corpses. Certainly not all German troops looked like that. I have pics running the gammit from short,skinny to tall and beefy. Sickly looking,glasses wearing,the usual assortment of human beings.
I don't doubt the author,just was curious. A bunch of dead Falschirmjaegers maybe? Or kids from the HJ?
We'' never know. Certainly not all troops looked like me guy here.
J
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 - 04:35 AM UTC

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Jerry you seem to have a natural talent for this and so my question is why don't you build from scratch?



Easy answer is:It's a lot faster to use existing figs as an armature instead of doing the wire armature route. Takes time to build up all the bulk using the wire method.
HTH,
J
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 - 04:39 AM UTC
Colin and Dave,
Thanks Gents for the kind words here. I always use that as motivation.
As far as 1/16 stashes go,I only have 2 figs! Three if you count the Gen. Galland fig I also bought lo these many moons ago.
This is just an experiment for me. I like dios and doing that in 1/16 would be very time consuming because of the adage"the bigger you go,the more you must show".
Thanks again,
J
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 - 04:42 AM UTC
I decided to switch the heads out. I will use this guy as a base.



Started to shape the helmet cover as well.





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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 - 04:57 AM UTC

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The thing is - without initiating a race war (!) - German soldiers did, apparently, look like Goebbels's "poster boys"; consider this quote from Andrew Wilson, a former Churchill , upon espying a collection of German dead in Normandy 1944 (he writes in the third person):

"They went further along the trench. The dead lay everywhere. It was odd how alike they looked: all young, all with strong white teeth in mouths where the flies were gathering, all with the same golden sun-tan, now like a mask on the bloodless faces beneath. Wilson couldn't help comparing them with the usual British infantry platoon, with all its mixtures which were a sergeant-major's nightmare - the tall and short, bandy-legged and lanky, heavy-limbed countrymen and scruffy, swarthy Brummagem boys with eternally undone gaiters. Even in death, he found something frightening about so much fine German manhood".

From "Flamethrower" by Andrew Wilson. Well worth a read in any case, although you may find yourself reaching for a Crocodile kit or two.



Damn. A mis-type - the first sentence should of course, read " a former Churchill Crocodile commander"






I read this description as well a long time ago. I always wondered where the guy saw these corpses. Certainly not all German troops looked like that. I have pics running the gammit from short,skinny to tall and beefy. Sickly looking,glasses wearing,the usual assortment of human beings.
I don't doubt the author,just was curious. A bunch of dead Falschirmjaegers maybe? Or kids from the HJ?
We'' never know. Certainly not all troops looked like me guy here.
J



Jerry,

I did try and map where and who the enemy might have been some time ago and came up with 12 SS - so "Yes" probably HJ types.

What I do like is the description of the British soldiers - still pretty much the same throughout my service, although sadly, these days I note the increase of fatties(!)

As ever, following your work with keen interest - the usual tutorial - which can only inspire. Keep it up.

Brian
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 - 06:21 AM UTC

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The thing is - without initiating a race war (!) - German soldiers did, apparently, look like Goebbels's "poster boys"; consider this quote from Andrew Wilson, a former Churchill , upon espying a collection of German dead in Normandy 1944 (he writes in the third person):

"They went further along the trench. The dead lay everywhere. It was odd how alike they looked: all young, all with strong white teeth in mouths where the flies were gathering, all with the same golden sun-tan, now like a mask on the bloodless faces beneath. Wilson couldn't help comparing them with the usual British infantry platoon, with all its mixtures which were a sergeant-major's nightmare - the tall and short, bandy-legged and lanky, heavy-limbed countrymen and scruffy, swarthy Brummagem boys with eternally undone gaiters. Even in death, he found something frightening about so much fine German manhood".

From "Flamethrower" by Andrew Wilson. Well worth a read in any case, although you may find yourself reaching for a Crocodile kit or two.



Damn. A mis-type - the first sentence should of course, read " a former Churchill Crocodile commander"






I read this description as well a long time ago. I always wondered where the guy saw these corpses. Certainly not all German troops looked like that. I have pics running the gammit from short,skinny to tall and beefy. Sickly looking,glasses wearing,the usual assortment of human beings.
I don't doubt the author,just was curious. A bunch of dead Falschirmjaegers maybe? Or kids from the HJ?
We'' never know. Certainly not all troops looked like me guy here.
J



Jerry,

I did try and map where and who the enemy might have been some time ago and came up with 12 SS - so "Yes" probably HJ types.

What I do like is the description of the British soldiers - still pretty much the same throughout my service, although sadly, these days I note the increase of fatties(!)

As ever, following your work with keen interest - the usual tutorial - which can only inspire. Keep it up.

Brian



I also remember reading many years ago something from a major player in the British Gov't. Can't remember who,lamenting that the UK hadn't paid as much attention to nutrition between the wars as the Germans obviously had.
Of course,both counties had the Great Depression to deal with.
Very glad to inspire anyone. Very kind words,
J
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 - 07:05 AM UTC
Spilling popcorn onto my lap!🍿… Really enjoying the show thus far!

—mike
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I remember reading somewhere that the Germans were shocked by the condition of the British prisoners they took in 1940, particularly the state of their teeth. Some of the second line German divisions would have looked pretty similar though methinks, for example the "Ear and Stomach Battalions" and the reserve divisions made up from older men who had been on the job line in the 20s. Even through the 1930s Depression, the British Army still struggled to recruit, the army was still viewed as a last resort for the desperate. In 1939, it was still under establishment and the Territorial battalions were in even worse state.The difference was that the Nazis did introduce Social Services which were not available to the British until after WW2.
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Posted: Sunday, October 28, 2018 - 04:07 AM UTC

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Spilling popcorn onto my lap!🍿… Really enjoying the show thus far!

—mike




Thanks Mikey!
I always appreciate your comments buddy,
J
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Posted: Sunday, October 28, 2018 - 04:10 AM UTC

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I remember reading somewhere that the Germans were shocked by the condition of the British prisoners they took in 1940, particularly the state of their teeth. Some of the second line German divisions would have looked pretty similar though methinks, for example the "Ear and Stomach Battalions" and the reserve divisions made up from older men who had been on the job line in the 20s. Even through the 1930s Depression, the British Army still struggled to recruit, the army was still viewed as a last resort for the desperate. In 1939, it was still under establishment and the Territorial battalions were in even worse state.The difference was that the Nazis did introduce Social Services which were not available to the British until after WW2.



Believe it or not,us Americans also had a big problem because of the depression and folks getting proper nutrition. If you look at the pics from the late 30s and even guys lining up to get a physical for armed forces induction,there are lots of pale skinny guys in those lines.
A good part of early armed forces training was devoted to building up health,endurance and stamina through good food in reasonable amounts and lots of physical activity.
J
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Posted: Sunday, October 28, 2018 - 10:36 AM UTC
Just a side note, my father and two of his older brothers enlisted on December 8th 1941. One of his brothers went into the Army, but was rejected because he "didn't weigh enough, even though he was 6ft tall-- he was accepted into the Navy though. My Dad and his other brother joined the Navy right off, and by December 31st, 1942 my dad had been assigned to the USS Essex, an aircraft carrier, and had gained 20lbs, despite having 4 teeth pulled during his induction physical. That was the only dental care he had ever received in his life before that time. By the end of the war, Dad had been fitted for dentures, because the Navy dentists at that time had been told to just pull teeth rather than engage in any lengthy and expensive dental treatments like crowns or extensive fillings-- it was cheaper to just pass out new teeth! Looking forward to see how you're going to depict these German teeth!
VR, Russ
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To get off the farm at16 my father lied about his age in 1938 and enlisted in the army. He said that was the first time he ever saw a dentist. Gosh, now it's twice a year for some folks.
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Posted: Monday, October 29, 2018 - 07:09 AM UTC

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What is the consensus on the helmet cover? Late style with foliage loops or early without?
J



Hello Jerry

What's the rest of his uniform going to be?
I see you've gone for the later model.
I do like the fact that it's not fitted properly, another nicely observed detail.
And his pose is again nigh-on perfect.

Cheers

Sean
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Posted: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 - 05:24 AM UTC
Kevlar,Ivanhoe and Sean,
Thanks for the observations Gents. Gives a good insite into the times we try to model after!

Sean,thanks for the kind words. I decided to go with the later style cover with foliage loops. Adds more interest maybe?
I am using a specific pic for ref here and a lot of the things on this guy will mimic that. The prototypes' cover has slipped off the front of his helmet so I added that tweek.
Here we go on the cover so far. Hideously enlarged so I can pick up my errors,






Goin' for the scuffed cloth look. Still will add some dirt and dust effects.
Have a look-see.
J
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Posted: Thursday, November 01, 2018 - 10:39 PM UTC
Ouch 1/16 is Scary Scale because there’s nowhere to hide errors. Seeing as you pretty much painted fingerprints in 1/35 (that dirty palm-print recently) I’m expecting to see eyelashes & unwanted (as opposed to wanted) nasal hair in this one mate! Looking good, he’s breathing alright