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Fujimi 1/24 scale Ferrari 330 P4
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Posted: Saturday, October 13, 2018 - 10:02 AM UTC
Just caught up with this Joel.
Nice choice of Ferrari. My fellow countryman Chris Amon drove these for Ferrari in 67 having switched from your favourite Ford GT40.
Great work on the cockpit! looking forward to the rest of this.

cheers
Michael
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Posted: Saturday, October 13, 2018 - 02:49 PM UTC
Joel, I am amazed by the speed you converted from an aircraft modeler to a genuine auto modeler. My last Stuka isn't quite a disaster but flew couple of times really low .
I take the risk of sounding redundant, but there it is: you keep amazing us with the high class workmanship! Just great work on that cockpit.

Gabriel
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Posted: Sunday, October 14, 2018 - 01:55 AM UTC

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Just caught up with this Joel.
Nice choice of Ferrari. My fellow countryman Chris Amon drove these for Ferrari in 67 having switched from your favourite Ford GT40.
Great work on the cockpit! looking forward to the rest of this.

cheers
Michael




Michael,

Chris Amon certainly was one great driver, and will always be remembered by me as the led Ferrari driver in 1967, my favorite year in racing. I had the privilege of seeing them race at Watkins Glen that Oct 1967. I'll never forget it.

New Zealand for a small country has turned out some amazing and outstanding international road racing drivers: Amon, McLaren, Hulme, and currently the Indy Car Champion once again Scott Dixon. And just a short Row to Australia, and the home of Sir Jack Brabham and his son.

Tough decision deciding who is all time #1. I'm going with Bruce McLaren, as he's on my all time top 5 list:


Gurney, McLaren, Clark, Andretti, & Stewart. You will notice that the likes of Senna, Prost, Foyt aren't on my list.


Joel
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Posted: Sunday, October 14, 2018 - 02:01 AM UTC

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Joel, I am amazed by the speed you converted from an aircraft modeler to a genuine auto modeler. My last Stuka isn't quite a disaster but flew couple of times really low .
I take the risk of sounding redundant, but there it is: you keep amazing us with the high class workmanship! Just great work on that cockpit.

Gabriel



Gabriel,
At least your Stuka didn't crash and kill the pilot and the gunner.

Plastic scale modeling is basically the same for all the disciplines when it comes to the basics. It's painting, weathering, and finishing where they're different. And believe me, I'm struggling with those pesky gloss finishes. Just been super lucky so far.

Joel
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Posted: Sunday, October 14, 2018 - 09:14 PM UTC

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Just caught up with this Joel.
Nice choice of Ferrari. My fellow countryman Chris Amon drove these for Ferrari in 67 having switched from your favourite Ford GT40.
Great work on the cockpit! looking forward to the rest of this.

cheers
Michael




Michael,

Chris Amon certainly was one great driver, and will always be remembered by me as the led Ferrari driver in 1967, my favorite year in racing. I had the privilege of seeing them race at Watkins Glen that Oct 1967. I'll never forget it.

New Zealand for a small country has turned out some amazing and outstanding international road racing drivers: Amon, McLaren, Hulme, and currently the Indy Car Champion once again Scott Dixon. And just a short Row to Australia, and the home of Sir Jack Brabham and his son.

Tough decision deciding who is all time #1. I'm going with Bruce McLaren, as he's on my all time top 5 list:


Gurney, McLaren, Clark, Andretti, & Stewart. You will notice that the likes of Senna, Prost, Foyt aren't on my list.


Joel



A top five list! That can cause a few debates. I am a big fan of Mario, because he was the first F1 driver I followed, and that was before I knew about the rest of his career. But in general I am with you in that I like the earlier drivers because they were prepared to drive anything. Racing was what it was all about. McLaren will always be special because of what he designed, built and drove. I don't think we will see that again.

cheers
Michael
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Posted: Monday, October 15, 2018 - 03:28 AM UTC

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Just caught up with this Joel.
Nice choice of Ferrari. My fellow countryman Chris Amon drove these for Ferrari in 67 having switched from your favourite Ford GT40.
Great work on the cockpit! looking forward to the rest of this.

cheers
Michael




Michael,

Chris Amon certainly was one great driver, and will always be remembered by me as the led Ferrari driver in 1967, my favorite year in racing. I had the privilege of seeing them race at Watkins Glen that Oct 1967. I'll never forget it.

New Zealand for a small country has turned out some amazing and outstanding international road racing drivers: Amon, McLaren, Hulme, and currently the Indy Car Champion once again Scott Dixon. And just a short Row to Australia, and the home of Sir Jack Brabham and his son.

Tough decision deciding who is all time #1. I'm going with Bruce McLaren, as he's on my all time top 5 list:


Gurney, McLaren, Clark, Andretti, & Stewart. You will notice that the likes of Senna, Prost, Foyt aren't on my list.


Joel



A top five list! That can cause a few debates. I am a big fan of Mario, because he was the first F1 driver I followed, and that was before I knew about the rest of his career. But in general I am with you in that I like the earlier drivers because they were prepared to drive anything. Racing was what it was all about. McLaren will always be special because of what he designed, built and drove. I don't think we will see that again.

cheers
Michael



Michael,

that's for sure. He designed winner cars in Can Am & F1 till his death, which deeply effected me as did Clark's. Gurney came really close with his Eagles and if Ford didn't back of the deal to back in in F1, who knows where AAR would have gone with that type of backing.


Joel


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Posted: Saturday, October 20, 2018 - 08:13 AM UTC
Well, another week of work on the 330 P4, and I've got just enough done for an update.

I decided that a little break was needed, so getting the 5 tires and wheels ready for installation would be a productive break from the Chassis/pit/suspension.

The tires are solid rubber with no side wall detail lettering, but the tread pattern looks pretty good. Since I'm modeling a pre-race version, the tires should be new, hence the molding seam down the middle. Fujimi gives you 4 Gold plated, & 1 non-plated 5 spoke Ferrari type wheels, with knock offs for 4 of them, but the wheel for the spare tire isn't plated, nor does it have a knock off. I air brushed it Testors enamel Gold which nicely matches the plated wheels. Some how I lost my picture of the 5 wheels, so I kind of borrowed one off the 'net.



then I hand glossed the sidewalls with Tamiya X-22 as I wanted a thick coat to decal on.



24 hrs later I decaled them with IndyCal decals.



then after another 24 hrs I air brushed on a leveling coat of Testors Glosscoat to start blend the decals in.



Once the gloss has cured for 24 hrs, I give each sidewall a easy rub with 3,000 grit so that the decals blend in, and then a coat of Dullcoat. Then they'll be ready for installation, which will let me complete the front suspension.

I finished up the rear suspension/transmission, which is kind of weird without an engine as it's just a big empty hole.






I test fit the spare tire into its holder over the transmission.



And it fit just fine, but now that huge empty engine space would be completely visible through the top rear window. So Fujimi came up with a 100%, totally factious cover plate that will be painted Gloss red.





That will have to do for this build. I did find out that Historic Racing Miniatures makes a Resin/white metal engine but it was sold out, and I was really passed the point of installation. I'll keep that in mind for my Fujimi Ford Gt40s that also suffer from the missing engine syndrome.

From the bottom I will have to admit that it looks ok, not great, but the engine pan does block out a lot of the view.



I thought I'd test fit the shell that I've been working on, and see how my 330 P4 is starting to come together.





Thanks for stopping by, and checking out my progress, it's always much appreciated.

Joel






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Posted: Monday, October 22, 2018 - 08:31 AM UTC
Hi Joel!

progress shots look good and man, those wheel/tyres look like shots out of an auto shop-just like the real thing
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Posted: Monday, October 22, 2018 - 08:55 AM UTC

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Hi Joel!

progress shots look good and man, those wheel/tyres look like shots out of an auto shop-just like the real thing



Russell,
Thanks so much for stopping by and checking out my update. Gotta agree, the tires are looking real good. the hard part is getting them to look that good on the next build.

Joel

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Posted: Monday, October 22, 2018 - 09:18 AM UTC
Joel, great progress and thanks for pointing out the missing engine and where to source a replacement.
Plenty of time before I'll get to mine so I can wait until they get an engine back in stock, also noticed they do a Maserati 450S so I now have two things to order from them when the time comes.

As mentioned by Russell those wheels look great.
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Posted: Monday, October 22, 2018 - 09:29 AM UTC

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Joel, great progress and thanks for pointing out the missing engine and where to source a replacement.
Plenty of time before I'll get to mine so I can wait until they get an engine back in stock, also noticed they do a Maserati 450S so I now have two things to order from them when the time comes.

As mentioned by Russell those wheels look great.



Luciano,
Thanks for stopping by, it's always much appreciated. I'm going to be getting the Ford GT40 289 ci engine when I get to that build.

Can't wait to see what you do with the Maserati 450S. Cars are starting to get as expensive as a full blown 1/32 aircraft build. Just look at what Terri is putting into her P-51D.

Joel
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Joel, great progress and thanks for pointing out the missing engine and where to source a replacement.
Plenty of time before I'll get to mine so I can wait until they get an engine back in stock, also noticed they do a Maserati 450S so I now have two things to order from them when the time comes.

As mentioned by Russell those wheels look great.



Luciano,
Thanks for stopping by, it's always much appreciated. I'm going to be getting the Ford GT40 289 ci engine when I get to that build.

Can't wait to see what you do with the Maserati 450S. Cars are starting to get as expensive as a full blown 1/32 aircraft build. Just look at what Terri is putting into her P-51D.

Joel



Joel, totally know what you mean.
When it comes to Italian cars my first love is Maserati followed by Alfa Romeo (although most of my purchases so far have been Ferrari) however when it comes to kits they are poorly catered for in injection moulded form. I do have an old Airfix Maserati Bora and I've been searching for their Merak and Boomerang, not up to modern kit standards but when they are the only game in town you go with what you can get. I can see several resin / multimedia kits in the future.
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Posted: Monday, October 22, 2018 - 05:21 PM UTC
Beautiful work so far Joel. The decals are perfectly blended in. Looking forward to more.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 - 02:38 AM UTC
Joel, you are a source of inspiration! The build comes together perfectly (not that I was expecting else from you )

And you are answering one of the questions I put on another thread and I've got no answer. The tires on my Mack DM600 look way to glossy, albeit it's being built (yes, I'm still struggling with that build and meanwhile I knocked down the exhaust stack too, just for fun!) as a Showtruck. Now I know! Thanks, ol' friend!

Gabriel
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Posted: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 - 06:28 AM UTC

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Beautiful work so far Joel. The decals are perfectly blended in. Looking forward to more.



Jesper,
Thanks for stopping by, it's always much appreciated. Tire decaling while fairly new to me, works just like regular decaling. I've never attempted it on hollow tires as I can see the clearcoats cracking if the tires get compressed.

Joel
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Posted: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 - 06:30 AM UTC

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Joel, you are a source of inspiration! The build comes together perfectly (not that I was expecting else from you )

And you are answering one of the questions I put on another thread and I've got no answer. The tires on my Mack DM600 look way to glossy, albeit it's being built (yes, I'm still struggling with that build and meanwhile I knocked down the exhaust stack too, just for fun!) as a Showtruck. Now I know! Thanks, ol' friend!

Gabriel



Gabriel,
My apologies for not replying.
Just handle tire decaling like you decal any model, and you'll be fine.

Joel
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Joel, great progress and thanks for pointing out the missing engine and where to source a replacement.
Plenty of time before I'll get to mine so I can wait until they get an engine back in stock, also noticed they do a Maserati 450S so I now have two things to order from them when the time comes.

As mentioned by Russell those wheels look great.





Luciano,
Thanks for stopping by, it's always much appreciated. I'm going to be getting the Ford GT40 289 ci engine when I get to that build.

Can't wait to see what you do with the Maserati 450S. Cars are starting to get as expensive as a full blown 1/32 aircraft build. Just look at what Terri is putting into her P-51D.

Joel



Joel, totally know what you mean.
When it comes to Italian cars my first love is Maserati followed by Alfa Romeo (although most of my purchases so far have been Ferrari) however when it comes to kits they are poorly catered for in injection moulded form. I do have an old Airfix Maserati Bora and I've been searching for their Merak and Boomerang, not up to modern kit standards but when they are the only game in town you go with what you can get. I can see several resin / multimedia kits in the future.



Luciano,

for road racing cars, both Formula and sports cars, I'm more of a British type of guy. Honestly, I never forgave the Commodore for backing out of the deal with Henry Ford II, but the end result was some of the best endurance racing of all times.

My all time favorite Maserati racer is the Tipo 61: the Birdcage. a super successful car, that wasn't ever really duplicated.

Joel
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Being retired does have its pluses, and I've been able to consistently get more time at the bench, and still get my Honey to List chores done on a daily & timely basis.

Work concentrated solely on the shell as there was a still plenty to do before priming could take place. There is an abundance of mold seams over the entire shell that had to be removed, as well as finishing up the blending in of the fender mirrors. The final body work was adding the PE front clip winglets that help to provide additional downforce at high speeds. They're actually well thought out as I'm not the greatest with PE bending especially when a curved surface needs to be created. But that surface adds quite a lot of gluing area which is a very good thing.

Here's one of the winglets pre-bend:



and here's one after I carefully worked the bend with a hand drill handle, followed by a the grip of a modeling hand file.



They both glued up with Gorilla CCA glue, and once dry are there to stay.



After washing down the shell with ISO Alcohol, followed by a quick wipe with a tack cloth, It's primer time. The paint of choice for the 330 is Gravity's Ferrari Rosso Corsa GC-107, which really needs a white primer, but the shell is molded in White. Having poor eyesight that's just not going to work for me, so I decided to do a little custom blending of Tamiya's Gray and White Lacquer primers. I just wanted it to be more like Off White then Gray. Took a while but I got there. Of course I totally forgot to write down the mixture, so I better not have to mix more or reply it later. Here's the shell after priming:







I gave the primer coat several hours to dry, then a lite sanding with Tamiya 3,000 grit sponge and warm water. Now the primer is really nice and smooth to the touch.

Next work session was applying the color coats. Nothing fancy here, as I just followed the procedures that seem to work well for me: Tack coat #1, 2-3 min tack coat #2, 2-3 min color coat #1, 5 min Color coat #2, 10 min final color coat as well as looking for drier spots. Now into the drying bin.

6 hrs later it's back to the rub with a wet piece of Tamiya 3,000 sponge.





Next work session I applied the IndyCal decals, which preformed perfectly using Micro Set, Sol, and finally Solvaset. The only issue I have with them is that they're printed on a single sheet and you have to cut out each decal. Takes time and a steady hand, but certainly worth the effort.

I gave the decals two days to dry, then following the same exact air brush procedure as I used for the primer, & color coats, I applied Mr. Hobby/Mr.Color lacquer clear gloss. The results came out perfect. Here's the shell after the clearcoat with no polishing as yet.







Thanks for stopping by and checking out my build to date, as it's always much appreciated.

Joel




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Looks amazing with colour and decals on Joel
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Very nice and detailed depiction of the painting / decaling process, Joel! I use the same "trick" for white and gray plastics and it works a threat. Usually I darken the white primer with gray primer or I add gloss black to gray primer to avoid the color match and make the spray pattern visible.
About the red color primer: I have understood that the factories (and a few modelers) use yellow tones (sand, cream) as base for red - supposedly it make it pop out better. I am wiling to experiment and I bought in purpose a cheap Tamiya Miata just to verify the theory. I also have in stock a sand color Rust-oleum which will play the primer role.
I am in full process of developing my own "decal printing technology" - I just ordered a laser printer and few varieties of decal paper to try it out. I grew tired of trying to find Romanian aircraft decals! I'll keep you posted of how well (or how disappointing) my experiment it's going to be!

Very nice finish off the a/b!
Cheers!
Gabriel
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Posted: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 - 02:04 AM UTC

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Looks amazing with colour and decals on Joel




Russell,
Thanks for staying the course and appreciating how the 330 P4 is coming along. I'm hoping that the polishing steps makes even that much more of an improvement.

Joel
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Very nice and detailed depiction of the painting / decaling process, Joel! I use the same "trick" for white and gray plastics and it works a threat. Usually I darken the white primer with gray primer or I add gloss black to gray primer to avoid the color match and make the spray pattern visible.
About the red color primer: I have understood that the factories (and a few modelers) use yellow tones (sand, cream) as base for red - supposedly it make it pop out better. I am wiling to experiment and I bought in purpose a cheap Tamiya Miata just to verify the theory. I also have in stock a sand color Rust-oleum which will play the primer role.
I am in full process of developing my own "decal printing technology" - I just ordered a laser printer and few varieties of decal paper to try it out. I grew tired of trying to find Romanian aircraft decals! I'll keep you posted of how well (or how disappointing) my experiment it's going to be!

Very nice finish off the a/b!
Cheers!
Gabriel



Gabriel,
Thanks for checking out my progress to date, it's always much appreciated.

I've never heard of cream or sand colored primers to make Red or those bright colors pop. I'll be waiting for your test results for sure.

I'm more then impressed that you're moving into the custom decal printing realm of the hobby. I believe that Michael from IndyCal doesn't always make his own drawings, but scans in the kit decals, then makes size, color corrections, and corrects any registration issues. A lot of work, but the results are far superior to the kit decals. Will be closely following your progress as you report your efforts. How about starting a thread so that we can follow your progress?

Joel
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Posted: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 - 11:36 AM UTC
Not a bad job for an old guy - even if it "ain't got wings with red circles on 'em "-
I guess red paint with white circles will have to do !

Keep at it my friend- it keeps my modeling fires burning a bit .

Richard
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I'm more then impressed that you're moving into the custom decal printing realm of the hobby. I believe that Michael from IndyCal doesn't always make his own drawings, but scans in the kit decals, then makes size, color corrections, and corrects any registration issues. A lot of work, but the results are far superior to the kit decals. Will be closely following your progress as you report your efforts. How about starting a thread so that we can follow your progress?

Joel



The sand / tan color background test I can make it when I catch some extra bench time - hopefully this week-end - on plastic spoons. Probably I'll be staring my Porche 959 for Porsche Campaign by then and the setup will come in handy.

I didn't meant I open a decal printing business - I just expanded my work bench. But, of course, I will let you know with examples if the effort pays off. Yes, I might open a separate thread but before anything else I need to pick up my shipment which is still in the shipper's warehouse, set up the printer and figure out how it works. It will be fantastic if I can synchronize it with my plotter to pre-cut the decal's contour (which I doubt).

Gabriel
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Not a bad job for an old guy - even if it "ain't got wings with red circles on 'em "-
I guess red paint with white circles will have to do !

Keep at it my friend- it keeps my modeling fires burning a bit .

Richard




Richard,
It's the closest I could come to a Japanese camo paint scheme.

Right now my mojo level is at absolute max, and loving every min of it.

Any chance that you'll be starting your bike build sooner then later?

Joel