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Ebbro 1/24 scale Lotus Type 72E
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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2018 - 02:50 AM UTC

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Joel this is looking great!

That one piece plexi is gonna look amazing!

Those designers sure did come up with some funky looking shapes!




Russell,
Thanks for stopping by, it's always much appreciated.

The huge one pc cowling saved weight, had no structural integrity to the chassis, and is most likely a lot easier to mold as a single unit, then two pcs.

Here's two pictures of the cowling. In the 1st, the single piece makes for a smoother transition, a nicer over all look, and less chance of it coming apart.



and in this closeup, you can clearly see that it's one piece with the hard edge paint line between the two surfaces.



Gotta really love all this tech discussions. I know, I do.

Joel
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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2018 - 03:00 AM UTC

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Hi, Joel! Nice progress!

I'm not familiar with Ebbro, but seems like you're having serious fun there! It is so nice when the engineering skills meet modeler's skills! That massive clear part solution I have seen it to other manufacturers as well, inclusive Eduard, Tamiya and, recently, Heller. With careful masking is the way to go!

Gabriel



Gabriel,
Agreed on all counts. The Ebbro engineers mostly from the ranks of the Tamiya Car Div, really have done a fantastic job. Everything fits extremely well. So well, that any screw ups are completely my fault. Not a single built in excuse so far.

It took me a good hour to mask the cowling inside and out. it's the best I can do, so it better be good enough. If not, see my already built in excuse

One thing I forgot to mention is that Lotus used both a clear and a tinted yellow version. Why? I have no idea other then for aesthetics, as the drivers certainly didn't look through it. My take is that Colin chapman wanted the car to look perfect, and the yellow cowling more closely matches the Gold color of the JPS scheme. Ebbro, actually gives you both cowls Now that's amazing for sure.

Joel
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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2018 - 03:02 AM UTC

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Nice work so far! Keep going! Can't wait to see the finished product.



Calvin,
Me too. But I'm a long, long way from the finish line. Still loving every single lap in the build.

joel
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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2018 - 03:08 AM UTC

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Wow, Joel. Nice detail in the front end!
I have just caught up on this build. Beautiful progress on the Lotus. I have to say it was their colour scheme that got me into F1 when I was a teenager, about the time Mario Andretti starting driving for them. Didn't convince me to try the product though!
I do have this car and relatives the 49 & 78 from Tamiya in 1/12th. I couldn't help myself as they re-released them over the past few years.

cheers

Michael



Michael,
Thanks so much for stopping by, it's always a pleasure when you do.

Chapman's designs were cutting edge, as his Lotus 25 set the world of F1 not only on notice, but on it's ears. For me, I started to follow F1 in Road & Track in 1962, so in a sense, I've been there from the beginning. Which also makes me real old.

I haven't bought any 1/12 scale kits as yet, as honestly my skills aren't any where good enough to successfully build one. But I'm very slowly getting there.

Joel
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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2018 - 05:29 PM UTC
One of the best looking F1's of all time. Will be following with great interest.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - 12:59 AM UTC

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One of the best looking F1's of all time. Will be following with great interest.



Jesper,
Welcome aboard

Colin Chapman's Lotus's certainly were among the most striking F1 cars of each one's era, and the Type 72 E not only had style, but the gloss Black and Gold markings made it the stand out of the field.

I've had more then one sleepless night worrying about how I'm ever going to get all those decal stripes down, aligned correctly, and no flash showing. Should be a really interesting decaling journey for this neophyte car guy.

Joel
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Posted: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - 02:05 AM UTC
Nice progress Joel, I do like the look of the front suspension with that little splash of colour.

Thanks for sharing a couple of photos of the real deal, I've not seen those ones before.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - 05:59 AM UTC

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Nice progress Joel, I do like the look of the front suspension with that little splash of colour.

Thanks for sharing a couple of photos of the real deal, I've not seen those ones before.



Luciano,
Thanks so much my friend for stopping by, it's always much appreciated. As for the pictures, I only wish that there were a lot more. I've got a few dozen detail pictures and that's it.

Joel
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Posted: Saturday, September 01, 2018 - 08:47 AM UTC
Joel! That car has a place in every Swede's heart as well, Emerson's team mate was Ronnie Peterson aka Superswede! One of the classiest looking paintjobs ever I would say.



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Posted: Saturday, September 01, 2018 - 11:35 AM UTC

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Joel! That car has a place in every Swede's heart as well, Emerson's team mate was Ronnie Peterson aka Superswede! One of the classiest looking paintjobs ever I would say.



Magnus



Magnus my friend,
Thanks so much for stopping by and checking out my Lotus build to date, especially as it's not one of my aircraft builds.

Peterson is one of the two drivers cars that can be made from the decal sheet, plus the needed JPS decals that I got from Indy Cals. It's a tough choice for me as I'm a life long Team Penske fan, and Emmo joined their Cart team after his F1 career came to an end. Emmo not only won the Cart championship in 1989, but he also won the Indy 500 twice.

Joel
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Posted: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 - 06:58 AM UTC
Finally, time for another update.

My orginal plan was to paint the body sections as well as the intake Lotus Gloss Black, which I had a nearly 8 year old bottle of Zero Lacquer paint, but was never opened. Zero paints come pre-thinned, so you just shoot it straight as is from the bottle. I opted for a flow rate of 20 psi with what I call even, light coats. Well, to put it midly, the first few coats came out looking more like lizard skin. Just not up to my expectations. i tried to rub it out, but for the most part only the clear cockpit combing and intake looked the part. So I stripped the paint using Denatured Alcohol, then checked the Zero site for any info. they don't recomend keeping their paints after 1 yr, and this bottle along with 6 others are nearly 8 years old. Makes no sense as there is no epaoration that I can see in the level of the paint in the bottles, but so be it.

I then ordered several bottles of paint from Gravity of Spain. From date of order to my front door is 5 days, as DHL emailed me that my package will be deliverd the next day. Amazing that it takes about the same time for a domestic delivery as it does from Spain, and it only costs $10 with tracking. Go figure.

So my attention in the mean time turned to the 3.0 liter Ford Cosworth V8 engine. Ebbro did a fantastic job of engineering the engine. the finished unit looks fantastic. I'm not entirely convinced at to their color callouts, but I've got more then enough reference pictures to create a race engine, not a display engine.

Case in point is the intake trumpets. The kit has them in chrome, as that's the call out on the instructions. the Trumpets are made from aluminum and come sort of shiny, but very quickly turn a dull, dirty Aluminum color. I should know as my race MG-B had two of them, and the several race cars i pitted for all had them. Certainly none were chromed, but on show cars they usually are. So I stripped the kit parts with plain old bleach, and the raw plastic is a milky color.



I just primed them with Tamiya X-1 Gloss Black followed with a few coats of Alcad II white Aluminum. A slight shine, but not chrome looking.



Then I installed the combination distributor and coil assembly, painting both caps a Redish Brown, and wired the coil to the center of the cap. I then wired the spark plugs on both cylinder heads. So far no big issues except that with just one eye, close up work like this is not exactly the easiest of things to do.

Now my attention turned to the fuel injectors and the fuel lines. Each of the 8 injectors needed to have the little plastic nubs cut off, and a hole drilled through the injector to accept a fuel line. Ok so I just took my time and got it done. Then I glued on the injectors. I have the proper size clear tubing instead of the more tradional yellowish tubing that reflects the effects of the fuel flowing through the line. Next time I'll go that route. To get the 4 lines per side to each injector through the drilled hole, and then snaked below the intake manifolds seemed like a fairly straight foward job. Well, it took this old half blind modeler literally 3 hrs to get it done!! talk about being frustated.



the Lotus ran with a massive by the standards of the day intake, so I dry fitted the one for Emmo's car, which has a smaller intake then the one for Peterson's car. It's only painted and rubbed out with 3,000 grit at this point, but you'll get the idea of how it will look.





Not much time this coming week to model as unfortunately, I have to be in the hospital Wednesday and Thursday morning for some heart tests, as I didn't do so well on my last physical. Such is life for me these days.

thanks to all my friends for stopping by and checking out my progress to date. As always it's much appreciated.

Joel
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Posted: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 - 10:01 AM UTC
Joel, always a pleasure to see your progress

the frustration and effort you've put into the engine has paid off as it looks great.

Best wishes for your hospital visit-hope all goes well
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Posted: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 - 12:42 PM UTC

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Joel, always a pleasure to see your progress

the frustration and effort you've put into the engine has paid off as it looks great.

Best wishes for your hospital visit-hope all goes well




Russell
Thanks so much for stopping by, it's always much appreciated.

and thanks for the moral support. I'm a little shaky about all of this heart & Kidney stuff again.


Joel
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Posted: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 - 10:22 PM UTC

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Joel, always a pleasure to see your progress

the frustration and effort you've put into the engine has paid off as it looks great.

Best wishes for your hospital visit-hope all goes well




Russell
Thanks so much for stopping by, it's always much appreciated.

and thanks for the moral support. I'm a little shaky about all of this heart & Kidney stuff again.


Joel



Fair comment Joel-I'd be shaky as well
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Posted: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 - 02:55 AM UTC
Joel, I've been following along when I get the chance-- hope all goes well with the tests. At our age things are bound to get a little "shaky", but hopefully medical science will fix us up.
VR, Russ
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Posted: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 - 07:42 AM UTC
Russ & Russell,
Again, thanks for the moral support. if nothing else, I survived a full day of testing, and the heart issues are certainly there. Will be waiting for my Dr. come up with plan A. Hopefully, that's not more surgery.

As for my kidney issues, well, only one issue at a time for this older timer.

Joel
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Posted: Thursday, September 06, 2018 - 10:38 AM UTC
Hi Joel - I guess I am now a "lurker " as I am just watching - not building or contributing . Just read about your health issues - hope all turns out well .

The Lotus looks great - I'm surprised you chose this one because I seem to recall a conversation at Noreastcon that you didn't care for downforce or ground effect cars .
The Lotus 25 is my all time fave open wheel car - 49 next.
I think Colin Chapman is Leroy Grumman , Kelly Johnson , Reginald Mitchell,
Jiro Horikoshi and Kurt Tank all rolled into one !
I've sent you a phone message and will now send PM .
Keep at it ! Richard
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Posted: Thursday, September 06, 2018 - 11:51 AM UTC

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Hi Joel - I guess I am now a "lurker " as I am just watching - not building or contributing . Just read about your health issues - hope all turns out well .

The Lotus looks great - I'm surprised you chose this one because I seem to recall a conversation at Noreastcon that you didn't care for downforce or ground effect cars .
The Lotus 25 is my all time fave open wheel car - 49 next.
I think Colin Chapman is Leroy Grumman , Kelly Johnson , Reginald Mitchell,
Jiro Horikoshi and Kurt Tank all rolled into one !
I've sent you a phone message and will now send PM .
Keep at it ! Richard



Richard,
thanks for stopping by. Your modeling expertise is always appreciated.

and yes, I prefer pre ground effects over the vacuum suckers on wheels today.

Saw you text today while I was at the hospital. Will reply during the game or in the morning.

So far all the tests came back within limits. Now they just need to figure out how to correct my heart and kidney issues, and keep them that way.

Joel
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Posted: Monday, September 10, 2018 - 08:58 AM UTC
Joel, it looks like you really intend to crank to life that engine upon completion. I suggest you yo use heat-resistant paints for that engine
That detailing is nothing short than masterclass, and your blogging, as always, very instructive!
I consider myself very lucky to have you around!

Cheers!
Gabriel
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Posted: Monday, September 10, 2018 - 09:04 AM UTC

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Joel, it looks like you really intend to crank to life that engine upon completion. I suggest you yo use heat-resistant paints for that engine
That detailing is nothing short than masterclass, and your blogging, as always, very instructive!
I consider myself very lucky to have you around!

Cheers!
Gabriel



Gabriel,
thanks buddy for those most kind words. Really, all I added was fuel injector lines and spark plug wires. Your bike detailing was much more involved.

I'm working on my next update. I've spent nearly 24 working hours decaling the body panels minus all the jPS logos that I'm still waiting for from Japan. Found a company that silk screens them, so I went that route for $11.50 that includes air mail and tracking. I have the Alp decals from Indy cal as a backup, but they're more then 8 years old and I did have an issue with one when testing.

Joel
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Posted: Monday, September 10, 2018 - 09:36 AM UTC

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Joel, it looks like you really intend to crank to life that engine upon completion. I suggest you yo use heat-resistant paints for that engine
That detailing is nothing short than masterclass, and your blogging, as always, very instructive!
I consider myself very lucky to have you around!

Cheers!
Gabriel



Gabriel,
thanks buddy for those most kind words. Really, all I added was fuel injector lines and spark plug wires. Your bike detailing was much more involved.

I'm working on my next update. I've spent nearly 24 working hours decaling the body panels minus all the jPS logos that I'm still waiting for from Japan. Found a company that silk screens them, so I went that route for $11.50 that includes air mail and tracking. I have the Alp decals from Indy cal as a backup, but they're more then 8 years old and I did have an issue with one when testing.

Joel



Joel, if you haven't already, try Microscale Liquid decal film. It solves most decal woes. I too like my open wheel racers without all that ground effect goo on them. Lotus 49 is also my favorite, but I also like the Eagle racers as well as the real antiques. To bad they are few and far between in kit form. Glad to hear the tests are working out-- stay well.
VR, Russ
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Posted: Monday, September 10, 2018 - 06:29 PM UTC
Sorry to hear your paint woes with Zero paints Joel. Interestingly I had never heard of Gravity paints so I googled them to see what they had. FYI they have a link to a Youtube clip showing a comparison between Zero and Gravity paints and the presenter in that clip seem to have the same problem with Zero that you had but was seemingly resolved by the use of their clear coats.
But good news, Gravity make a Vaillant Green for my Porsche so I have some of that winging its way to NZ. So thanks for the tip.

cheers

Michael
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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 - 02:12 AM UTC

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Joel, it looks like you really intend to crank to life that engine upon completion. I suggest you yo use heat-resistant paints for that engine
That detailing is nothing short than masterclass, and your blogging, as always, very instructive!
I consider myself very lucky to have you around!

Cheers!
Gabriel



Gabriel,
thanks buddy for those most kind words. Really, all I added was fuel injector lines and spark plug wires. Your bike detailing was much more involved.

I'm working on my next update. I've spent nearly 24 working hours decaling the body panels minus all the jPS logos that I'm still waiting for from Japan. Found a company that silk screens them, so I went that route for $11.50 that includes air mail and tracking. I have the Alp decals from Indy cal as a backup, but they're more then 8 years old and I did have an issue with one when testing.

Joel



Joel, if you haven't already, try Microscale Liquid decal film. It solves most decal woes. I too like my open wheel racers without all that ground effect goo on them. Lotus 49 is also my favorite, but I also like the Eagle racers as well as the real antiques. To bad they are few and far between in kit form. Glad to hear the tests are working out-- stay well.
VR, Russ




Russ,
Thanks for being in my corner about all these tests. it's like a never ending, very expensive cycle, that doesn't answer the questions of what my heart, and kidney issues are, just what they're not. And I'm not even counting the major sinus issues I live with that makes getting up in the morning a real challenge. Like I said, getting old truly sucks. There are no Golden Years, just a description of having to run to the bathroom that many more times during the day & night.

thanks for the heads up on the Microscale Liquid Decal film. I'm going to include it in my Sprue Brothers order.

I'm not a fan once the F1 cars started to look like space age vacuum cleaners. Even Indy Cars went that route, but now have gone back to less down force and look so much better.

I have 3 race car heros: Dan Gurney, Jimmy Clark, and Bruce McLaren. All three at one time drove Gurney's Indy Eagles at the Brickyard. I truly love the Eagle and it's Legend as it's a true Icon in motor sports. Yep, there really aren't any injected molded kits of Eagles other then some from the 70s which are terrible and super expensive on ebay. I've found some Resin kits that are way above my skill level that start at $125 each and need a donor kit and more AM. When I feel I can build one successfully, I'll get one. And the Hiro multi media kits of the 1967 Gurney Eagle Spa winning car in both 1/20 & 1/12 scale are insane. I've seen the 1/12 car going for $675 and up. I'll never have the skills to build one, so it's just a dream for me.

Joel
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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 - 03:39 AM UTC
Joel, yes I know what you are talking about when it comes to health issues and age. Getting old is something the young cannot really appreciate. I liken it to rust-out in a classic car— it’s still running, but I can see the road through the floorboards in places, and am badly in need of a tune up. I’ve built a couple of 1/25 MPC Eagles, replacing all the struts, shocks, exhausts and headers with brass, aluminum, and steel wire and tube (I have a method for making fluted intakes out of aluminum tube that gives a nice scale appearance). I also have the MPC Indy Legends set with a Lotus and McLaren cars. Other than that, MPC and Monogram are the only injection molded “decent” open wheel racer manufacturers I know of— the Hiro stuff is a little expensive for my taste. There are some releases of European types by Heller (the Brabham). I have a few classics too from the 20s and 30s made by Monogram and Airfix, but overall, older open wheel stuff in injection molded 1/24 or 1/25 has largely been ignored—it’s a shame. Hope you are feeling better soon, waiting to see this JPS “on the track”!
VR, Russ
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Posted: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 - 08:48 AM UTC
Joel! I hope your vet can figure something out so you get back in shape!

Less important but still interesting: the Lotus ! Fascinating how the bodywork ends before the engine, leaving it totally exposed. That detail work will certainly pay off! Another fascinating thing is the fantastic finish of the real life car. I wonder how they did the striping, it looks so perfect.

Once again, I hope you get well soon!



Magnus