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Albatros CIII 1/48
Louis
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Posted: Friday, March 09, 2018 - 09:35 PM UTC
Hello,

I have the models stored for a long time.
The kit made by Special Hobby is a copy of the one made by Eduard but more beautiful... But it will be necessary to prepare the pieces with care.
Some eduard photoetched parts are directly molded onto the parts of the Hobby Kit.

Obviously it will be this one. With a dragon and a green crocodile (neither white nor gray).



Only 2 images (windsock datafiles) showing the cockpit ...

This one, CIII or B II ?

https://argonnaute.parisnanterre.fr/ark:/14707/a011490872320IXYATY/829de1c3f0


https://argonnaute.parisnanterre.fr/ark:/14707/a0114908723207BqTFP/747d88c39a

On the floor (SH) I added the four boards (0.5x0.4mm).All the wood is painted with Mr Hobby's color (sail) and oil.





The reservoir is Eduard's.



The case, the throttle are in photoetched folded except the interupteur added.




The chair is modified by gluing strips of plastic in and sanding.




The steering wheel is made of metal wire, the pulley and the inside of the steering wheel come from the eduard photoetch.






[img width=800 height=575]https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4779/39810278445_11d52cbeac_b.jpg[/img]

The opening of the cockpit is refined.



Both slots are missing.



I will try to refine the wall and cut them out but I think it will not work ...
Maybe by sticking a plate with the gills cut out ?

Regards.
rochaped
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Posted: Saturday, March 10, 2018 - 12:08 AM UTC
Louis,

Beautiful build of a great subject. Well chosen.
Never saw this kit build before, but it looks like it is well moulded despite missing those 2 grills. These are hard to replicate, but from what I see in the photo that part of the engine cowling is a one piece like nose. Not easy to replace, so I would go carving the plastic with care.

Will follow this build with interest
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Posted: Saturday, March 10, 2018 - 04:27 AM UTC
Lovely work. I look forward to seeing your progress.

Paul H
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Posted: Thursday, March 22, 2018 - 03:33 AM UTC
Thank you!

Thank you.

I used the plan of the Albatros BII (wingnutwings) to make my cockpit. I'm sure of nothing.

I replaced the black dials with white dials.



I added an oil pump in brass tube and below a tube with a faucet.



I should have glued the dashboard to the other half of the fuselage because the throttle cables must enter two holes on this dashboard...

The box that carries the throttle is a little too low.



The leather armchair.





Of course it was too easy to put the gunner's seat under the hole ... I do not see what it's used for where Sp. Hobby put it.




Regards.

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Posted: Thursday, March 22, 2018 - 04:31 AM UTC
I don't know too much about building WW1 Biplanes, so I'm just a tourist here, but I love the wood grain effect.
I do have a WnW SE5a that I'm psyching myself up to tackle, so it's great to follow these builds. cheers.
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Posted: Monday, March 26, 2018 - 08:03 PM UTC

Quoted Text

I don't know too much about building WW1 Biplanes, so I'm just a tourist here, but I love the wood grain effect.
I do have a WnW SE5a that I'm psyching myself up to tackle, so it's great to follow these builds. cheers.



Hey Spud. Just look up other SE5a builds around this site. Many good people here to guide you. These WNW kits are so good, all you have to worry about is dropping them. Yeah I did that.

Louis, I have to agree the wood grain affect is really really good. The color and scale is perfect for your build. The cockpit came together and just looks right. You have a great build happening right in front of our eyes.
Louis
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Posted: Monday, March 26, 2018 - 09:19 PM UTC
Thank you!

Hello!


I moved everything so that it was not below the chair armrest and the tingles in front of the dashboard holes.



The painting was damaged, obviously...




The gunner's seat was moved forward by 5 mm:



Now he can use it!



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JackFlash
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Posted: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 - 01:32 AM UTC
Just a quick note on the kit markings. On the original aircraft the pilot's left side is very different than the markings on the pilot's right side.



Louis
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Posted: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 - 02:31 PM UTC
Hello Stephen,


Thank you for your photos and the useful reminder.
I have a third where we see the legs of the dragon.

For the color I already read everything: White, Gray, Light Gray, Light Green, Light White...
No certainty but light green I like and it would go to two animals.

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Posted: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 - 02:58 PM UTC
Louis
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Posted: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 - 02:28 AM UTC
I tried to paint the dragon to see if it was easy. I painted it on the eduard fuselage. Oil paint on a matte varnish and a brown background.


The engine is almost finished. It is cut in the front and below to get into the plane at the right place.









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Posted: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 - 06:42 PM UTC
Love your Dragon.
Louis
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Posted: Friday, March 30, 2018 - 05:20 PM UTC
Thank you!

with engine spark wires:

The wires are made of metal wire to make baits for "fly fishing". It's very fine.







The fuselage must be sanded to remove too thick details. Some are almost 1mm thick and are not beautiful.Il will redo them.



Regards
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Posted: Friday, April 06, 2018 - 11:07 PM UTC
Louis, Forgive me but I doubt the green myself. BUT I won't critisize it either. Nice detailing as per your usual fine work. Trebeau!
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Posted: Saturday, April 07, 2018 - 01:56 AM UTC
Hello Stephen

You are right. White is a lot more logical.

It sucks...I liked the color green.

Regards
Louis
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Posted: Sunday, May 27, 2018 - 10:53 PM UTC
Hello !

I sanded the traps that are on the nose of the plane. Eduard gives it in photoetching.
It is necessary to resize the opening of the bonnet (in black) so that the hoses of the engine leave in the good place.




Note that the closures of the hoods are very ugly ...

I made plastic wire around the opening of the hood.





I also sanded the bindings of the hoods to try to remake them. The pellets are a bit big (0.5mm) but I have nothing smaller. It will be necessary to add the spring on some.




I cut with the saw in the hood a slot for the synchronization system of the machine gun.
Louis
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Posted: Sunday, May 27, 2018 - 11:09 PM UTC
The rod and the hooks to carry the bombs are installed. We do not see them anymore or almost with the turret.



A rod is put in place, it leaves the controller on the right side.



The fuselage is glued. A whole evening of work to get the engine in the right place. No studs to place the half fuselages.


The hole to get the bomb sight out is drilled in the floor and the fuselage.

The photo shows the location as well as the plan in the Aerophile..






No image of the bomb sight. Can be one like this, a "Goerz".



https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1917/1917%20-%200939.html








The turret is too simplified and exceeds too much of the fuselage.



So I filed down to try to have flanks more "bent". I wanted a base like the picture, unfortunately the base of the turret is not circular so impossible to resize on a turn. I pasted a profile 0.5x0.5 underneath. The height of the turret is reduced to the scalpel.Not enough yet, the leather protection is in greenstuff.





The turret does not exceed the top of the fuselage.



I cut a very thin band to pack the wall of the turret. Then I cut it all around with a razor blade.



The interior must still be a little arranged..It remains to stick on the handles, the stuff that exceeds and to the slot in the front for the machine gun.

Regards.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 - 09:09 AM UTC
Thumbs up Louis!
Louis
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Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 - 09:23 AM UTC
Hello,

Thank you !

I try to cleanly make the two gills under the nose.

The gills are etched with a small tool that is a metal rod filed to become flat. I used a metal template, the most difficult is to engrave the bow to the correct position. I started by drilling a 0.3mm hole at the end of the arches. Then we engrave, then we start again because the arcs are not aligned etc. etc.



In the photo I deposited melted plastic chips in the tamiya glue to correct the width of the arches and their shapes.



The bottom of the fuselage is pierced. It is necessary to made a clean cut and with a form simple to reproduce (not at all like me) to be able to stick in the hole the pierced plate of the gills. I put on the edge of the hole wedges that carry the plate.
The plate is too deep in sticky hence the need to putty. It was not planned. One of the two slots remains to be sanded on the photo.



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Louis
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Posted: Saturday, June 30, 2018 - 07:50 AM UTC
Hello!

Thank you!

The bumps on the hood are added, pity they are not molded original.
Their shapes are difficult to apprehend on the photos of time.



At the bottom of the hood (on both sides) I engraved and dug the notch in which a tensioner (cable) will be fixed.
A dymo band pierced with a hole and cut out serves as a model to engrave the outline, then one digs with the scalpel.



The foot market is dug, a photo-cut will surround it. A tip, do it before closing the fuselage ...
The red engraving is deleted. The one in green added.

I found only a photo of the back of the fuselage where we could distinguish panels of different colors or possible brands of "rivets". Same for the flanks. There are really not many exploitable images.



A lot of putty and sanding but nothing insurmountable.

The shape of the fuselage nose is too sharp in my opinion. I sanded a little to make it more "square".

Regards
Louis
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Posted: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 - 10:22 AM UTC
I redid fasteners for stretchers. Two on each side.




A shot of surfacing with the airbrush and a layer of paint that will serve as a background for the oil painting.







The panels are painted separately but without drying between each panel (too long). I use a piece of tape to limit the start of the panel. The paint is burnt sienna.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 - 10:22 AM UTC

Small "circles" with oil paint (always Sepia):



and spread with a fine brush 3/0, draw the paint in the direction of the wood, here in only one direction.

If we paint in the other direction, it is a trail where the beige paint of the background appears (why?).
These beige trails allow to have grooves in the wood:



All this to approach this:



It looks like the old "linoleum" of my room when I was a kid ...

Regards
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Posted: Friday, July 20, 2018 - 04:36 PM UTC
Fine work.
Louis
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Posted: Saturday, July 21, 2018 - 09:56 AM UTC
Thank you,

The lower wing.


It's not too transparent I think.



I have too much beige paint and the cross has almost disappeared.

On the pictures of the plane the central plate seems absent as well as the tank on the wing. We see the sky through the wing ...

In addition there is a tank under the wing that I had not seen:



As on this BII ?




If anyone has any details about his form, I will be very happy ...

Regards
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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 02:13 AM UTC
1 If that "tank" is a tank is in the correct location to catch the over flow from the radiator. (much like my 1950 Plymouth inline six)

2 Note the seated gunner in the left side picture. His position indicates a seat on the right side of the gunner's cockpit. I recall (and I do not have it within reach) The Wellman or Model Airplane drawing/plan, had the seat on the side and the rear of the cockpit held four MG magazines. this would be a more logical layout...

3 The Model is beautiful. The wood is awesome.

4. If the gunner was standing on the varnished wood in his flight boots, there would be circular whitish scratch/wear marks on that floor. Like standing on wet pavement in muddy boots, and twisting around in circles.

Enjoy

Captn Tommy