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Best Starfighter Ever?
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Posted: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 - 07:11 AM UTC
Sometimes, I wonder if I have bitten off more than I can chew with this project. I watch Youtube magic and a kit goes from pieces to finished in a few minutes. I know itís all editing and fast forward, but then I go back to my bench and spend just as long creating one tiny part. It can sap a guys motivation. Even so Iím determined not to get distracted. Slowly but surely the landing gear and the big brackets that hold on the landing gear pistons are taking shape. Oh yes, there was some filler work needed between the bulkhead and fuselage too.

Here is the putty going on



and the sanded result (I did a little more work with Mr Surface 500 after I took this photo because it showed up some small gaps).



Then some of the replacement landing gear parts Iíve been scratch building. At least at this stage I can see the fruits of my labour, and that feels good.



By the way, I thought Iíd pass on a tip. I use thin strips of masking tape to create guides when I need to position a scratched part accurately. Here you can see where I marked out the location of the brackets shown above. Itís so much easier than trying to manoeuvre in rulers, pencils and the like, and if (when) I get it wrong, I can simply reposition it.



I hope your plastic is cooperating.

Steve.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 - 01:53 AM UTC
Hi Joel

Thanks very much. If your kit gives you an itch - scratch it :-)

Have a great day,

Steve.
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Posted: Monday, September 03, 2018 - 08:04 AM UTC
Steve,
Your plan for the landing gear bay sounds really sound, and with your detailing ability should really be a treat for us once it's completed.

Looking forward to how you detail the main gear strut assemblies

joel
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Posted: Monday, September 03, 2018 - 07:14 AM UTC
If you follow the kit instructions you will build the rear landing gear assembly before installing it in the fuselage. I want to change the order so that I can deal with any fit issues between the bay walls and the fuselage before I start scratch building new details. That will avoid sanding and filling with small and breakable parts in place.

Adopting the same technique used to get the cockpit aligned, I dry fitted the basic parts then glued them together without gluing them to the fuselage. The fit is actually pretty good but thereís still need for some filling and sanding.



A big centre spar fits over the landing gear legs and holds them in place. I modified it so that the spar and legs can be fitted after the walls are in place. Itís easy enough - just remove the two locating tabs. Thereís still a deep channel to guide fitting, and the part drops straight in with the tabs taken off. Hopefully that means there wonít be any alignment problems later.

The landing gear legs themselves have had the poorly moulded pistons and arms removed so I can scratch build new ones. Compare the kit part supplied with how it looks now.

As it comes:


And with the yucky bits removed, and the centre spar next to it. Orange means material removed.


All this is getting the landing gear and bay ready for some serious attention.

Thatís all for now. See you soon.


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Posted: Thursday, August 30, 2018 - 10:29 AM UTC
Hi Joel,

Thank you very much. It feels good to get a major step done.

Jessie, thanks a million for the references too.

Have a great day folks.
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Posted: Thursday, August 30, 2018 - 09:58 AM UTC
Steve,
As usual, great progress. The installed Pit looks outstanding, and well worth the effort you put into it.

Joel
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Posted: Thursday, August 30, 2018 - 08:09 AM UTC
From the Ejection Site:

The F-104 A used downward-ejection due to fears that the pilot wouldn't clear the tailplane in an upward ejection. Stanley B (first 26 A/C), C (next 15 A/C) and C-1 (remainder of F-104A production run) seats were used.

After discovering that pilots really, really didn't like to eject downwards at low altitude, Lockheed developed The Stanley seat into the C-2 upwards ejection seat (commonly called the Lockheed seat), which equipped the majority of F-104s made. Some late -104s were fitted with S/R-2 seats which were a modification of the C-2.

The Martin-Baker Q7 seat was retrofitted to -G models in several European countries when the Lockheed seat's poor performance in rapidly-descending aircraft became known. The Q7 had a much faster ejection sequence which pilots appreciated.
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Posted: Thursday, August 30, 2018 - 07:28 AM UTC
Hi Robert and Jessie

Thanks very much for the comments on my work so far.

I'm no expert on the Starfighter or any aircraft for that matter. I love building them and I rely heavily on references to inform my builds. Yes, there sure were a lot of versions of the F-104. It can be confusing to sort them out, and the references don't always seem to agree.

Robert, I used a combination of the kit parts, Eduard photo-etch and scratch built items. That recess under the seat is from the Eduard set. My final result is probably not 100% accurate. As Jessie says, there's a limit (in this case my limited patience).

Frankly, with the seat installed you can't see what is underneath, so unless you really, really care about accuracy, you don't need to worry too much. Anyhow, it's your kit and your call of course.

Have a look at this, for a super virtual tour of an F-104C cockpit:

http://www.nmusafvirtualtour.com/cockpits/CW_tour/CW-22.html

Maybe some other folks can shed more light on the ejector seats used in various US and export versions?

I hope you enjoy building whatever version you go for.

Thanks both for looking in.

Steve.

P.S. Eduard produce lovely kits in 1/48 scale if you feel like going down that route. I made a C version some years ago and it was a gem - easily as much detail as the Italeri kit in 1:32, but not as impressive when its built. Big can be beautiful :-)
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Posted: Thursday, August 30, 2018 - 04:28 AM UTC
No Starfighter ever had a cockpit floor. It's a legacy of the -A model's downward ejection seat. When you remove the seat, there's nothing there apart from the outside skin. Any "floor" in models is inaccurate, but there as a result of limitations of the moulding process and a place to glue the seat.
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Posted: Thursday, August 30, 2018 - 02:33 AM UTC

Quoted Text

I follow this build since the beginning and i'm astonished of the level of details put in each pieces.



Hi Steve, I second the comment above.
However more or less from the background, as this is a long time ago I logged in to Aeroscale. Marvellous job you're doing with the kit.
I was searching for the etched details you add to this build and have a question about the cockpit floor (the sink). Is that a common thing on all Starfighters? What I understand is that the C model is also the base for the NATO G type. NATO partners Industry like Fokker, Fiat build a lot of them.
They differ however, which I saw in avionics behind the cockpit and have a larger tail for sure, but basically it is a C upgraded to NATO G, where G stands for German.
The seat is also different later on, after multiple crashes, the G's were equipped with M.B. Q7"s, like the German F-104's for example. So what seat is provide for a C in your build? C2? Is there also a M.B. provided with the kit?
I'm planning a Marine version of the Modern German Airforce. Not doing a Italeri but a Hasegawa, My research did not give me the full satisfaction of this issue, but I want to be correct. Maybe someone else knows...
The prices really got down for Hasegawa kit, and research for build logs gave me a solid base to buy those kits.
Aftermarket shall be my friend to get some levelling up to 2018 standards.
All is on different planes heading Thailand.
Will keep watching your progress, for the painting approach of details I already got my notebook deployed.

Happy building.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
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Posted: Thursday, August 30, 2018 - 12:27 AM UTC
Salut Franck! thanks very much. I probably spend far too much time looking at tiny bits of plastic :-)

Michael, thank you too. My feelings about the kits I build go through many stages from joy to frustration. This one definitely falls into the 'joy' category. At least for now.

Luckily, I was at home watching the... I was going to say race, but it turned out to be rain.

Happy modelling guys.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 - 10:29 PM UTC
Hi Steve,
I haven't seen this for a month or so. Great to see the painting finished on those parts you have expended so much time on, the result certainly confirms it was worth it.
Hope you didn't head to Silverstone on Sunday for the rain. I stayed up to watch it and ended up watching Spa instead

cheers
Michael
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Posted: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 - 09:41 PM UTC
I follow this build since the beginning and i'm astonished of the level of details put in each pieces.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 - 07:37 AM UTC
With the cockpit and avionics parts ready, I can start gluing things in place. In the past Iíve had problems with getting parts aligned, so these days I dry fit the cockpit, tape the fuselage sides together and then add glue to one side. That gets everything aligned, and by gluing one side only I can split the fuselage halves to add more parts. Luckily this kit has a lot of gaps in the fuselage so I can get to the interior parts easily. Et voilaÖ





Happy modelling guys.
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Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2018 - 10:29 AM UTC
Iíve been wondering how best to recreate the burnt and sooty look inside the engine. In the end I went with pre-shading, followed by several thin coats of dark grey brown. That got me from hereÖ



to hereÖ



While I had the airbrush out I also gave the magazine a coat of AK Extreme Metal, Polished Aluminium.



Now I can sit back and watch the MotoGP qualifying while I wait for it all to dry. Next up Iíll be adding some simple pin washes.

Happy modelling.
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Posted: Saturday, August 18, 2018 - 08:51 PM UTC
Hey Joel,
Thank you very much. I can see all sorts that I could do better, but that's my nature I guess. I have to say that the laminated foil set belts did work out well. I think I've finally founds a technique I can stick with.
Have a great day,
Steve.
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Posted: Saturday, August 18, 2018 - 08:38 AM UTC
Steve,
Simply outstanding. The seat is in a class of it's own, and that harness assembly looks as close to scaled fabric as humanly possible.
Joel
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2018 - 08:23 AM UTC
I couldn't resist a quick test fit. There's a busy cockpit emerging. Of course there's no instrument panel in place yet, and I think the gloss coat I put on before the wash needs toning down to satin or even matt.



Happy modelling.

Steve.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 - 07:16 AM UTC
Joel, you are a gentleman as ever. Yes, maybe I'll take the plunge and go for the decals, if only to stay true to my 'throw everything at it' approach to this kit.
Have a great day,
Steve.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 - 12:42 AM UTC
Steve,
Those assemblies are look really quite good. I really like the seat and the avionics bay with each electrical box a slightly different shade of the same color. Really makes quite a difference.

As for the IP, any time you can use Peter's instruments, I'd say go for it.

Joel
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Posted: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 - 06:39 AM UTC
I might be in danger of sinking into a never ending search for the perfect finish, as is always a danger with my builds. Iím never truly satisfied. In the interests of not going blind, insane or addicted to thinners, Iím going to start calling some parts done. Finished are:

The avionics bay



The cockpit rear bulkhead



The seat (actually finished a few weeks ago)



The instrument panel. Well, probably. Iím still thinking about adding Airscale dials. When you see the part magnified like this the dials are obviously missing, but back in the real world theyíll hardly show and a dab of gloss in the right place will create a passable impression. Iím thinking about it because Iím not sure the work is worth the reward. Hmmmm, to decal or not to decal? That is the question.



Still with some work to do are:

Cockpit tub - a bit of low key weathering and tidying up need.



Area over the front of the instrument panel (not sure what itís called). I want to add some variation in tone to those boring olive drab areas.



And finally the ammunition bay needs painting in NMF.



There are a few ancillary bits and pieces like the joystick and foot pedals that are done but not photographed. Oh, and the rather plain cockpit side walls are done too.

A bit more work here and Iíll be able to turn my attention to the engine and eventually go back to scratch building the rear landing gear bay. Remember thatís where this diversion started? I must admit Iíd almost forgotten too.

I hope your plastic and paint is cooperating.

Have a great day

Steve.
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Posted: Friday, August 03, 2018 - 10:27 PM UTC
Hey Joel and fellow modellers,

My colour modulation approach has me frolicking around various parts of the interior, based on nothing more than what Iím in the mood to tackle; in the last day or so thatís been the avionics behind the cockpit. I used this source as a reference:

http://www.rolfferch.de/F104G/html/avionik.html

Started with filters to adjust the colour of some of the boxes.



Then added highlights and painted the frame.



Finally, I picked out some of the bolts and fasteners, and put a white base on the little indicator lights so I get a vibrant colour when I paint them red and orange.



The next stages will be adding some more colour, a little decalling and pin washes.

If youíre eager to finish a kit these techniques are not for you, but Iím enjoying the process and like the results. Right now Iím a happy modeller, even if the plastic is in danger of melting under europeís crazy hot sun.

I hope youíre enjoying this blog, and also also your own kits.

More soon,

Steve
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Posted: Monday, July 30, 2018 - 10:34 AM UTC
Steve,
We bought our home 39 years ago, and just had a single A/C in the bedroom. We actually ended up during the hot summer months cooking in the kitchen or BBQing, eating and watching tv in the bedroom, and using that bathroom. We never used the rest of the house. We came to the realization that there has to be a better way. Believe me, we're very conservative in it's use by keeping the house at 72 but the humidity is like 60% all year long, which makes a great difference.

I use subscriptions so that I never miss any updates to threads that I'm following. And I certainly don't want to miss any of yours.

Joel
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Posted: Sunday, July 29, 2018 - 08:45 AM UTC
Hey Joel

I envy your aircon. I'm relying on fans and frequent trips to the local pool.

As for the modulation work. I'm hoping when it all comes together that I'll have a busy and interesting cockpit. Watch this space for more.

Have a great day,

Steve.
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Posted: Saturday, July 28, 2018 - 02:06 AM UTC
Steve,
I feel you pain with the extreme heat and nearly unbearable humidity we've also had here on the Island as of late. Then it's monsoon type rains most days just to make it a little more interesting. At least for me I can't complain. We decided many years ago that Central Air was a necessity for us, so the summer weather once we get in doors really isn't an issue.

I really like your modulation technique, as I usually confine mine to dark washes and Tamiya Black recess panel washes, followed by dry brushing with just a light shade of gray regardless of the color coat. Your method certainly results in what to me looks a lot more natural, so I'm going to adapt it for all my modeling moving forward.


Joel