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M752 LANCE Missile Launcher. Pt.2 the Build
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Posted: Friday, December 22, 2017 - 08:51 AM GMT+7

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Precisely, it appears to be the case of making a model of something without understand what the subject actually is and how it works.

If you are just making some boxes, you don't realize the issue... if you are making fin carriers odds are much higher you realize they need to carry some fins!



From Chris F's and the Tankograd book mentioned previously, it appears that there were 3 different M-number designation for the fins and at least 2 different sizes, but neither of the 1:1 sized fins would fit the kit fin cases!
They def dropped one here....



To my knowledge there were only two sizes of control surfaces.
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Posted: Friday, December 22, 2017 - 07:45 AM GMT+7

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From Chris F's and the Tankograd book mentioned previously, it appears that there were 3 different M-number designation for the fins ....



??? I only know of two, the M29 (large) and M30 (small). What's the third?

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Posted: Friday, December 22, 2017 - 06:36 AM GMT+7

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Precisely, it appears to be the case of making a model of something without understand what the subject actually is and how it works.

If you are just making some boxes, you don't realize the issue... if you are making fin carriers odds are much higher you realize they need to carry some fins!



From Chris F's and the Tankograd book mentioned previously, it appears that there were 3 different M-number designation for the fins and at least 2 different sizes, but neither of the 1:1 sized fins would fit the kit fin cases!
They def dropped one here....
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Posted: Friday, December 22, 2017 - 05:24 AM GMT+7
Precisely, it appears to be the case of making a model of something without understand what the subject actually is and how it works.

If you are just making some boxes, you don't realize the issue... if you are making fin carriers odds are much higher you realize they need to carry some fins!
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Posted: Friday, December 22, 2017 - 05:22 AM GMT+7

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A remotely possible explanation could be that they didn't know or realise the purpose of those strange attache cases.



I'd say that was actually the most likely explanation. There are a number of kits with designs or parts breakdowns that clearly indicate that the people creating the kit had no idea what the parts were or how they supposed to work.

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Posted: Friday, December 22, 2017 - 04:24 AM GMT+7

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It is unbelievable to me that the DML kit designers did not see a problem when the fins were much longer than the fin CONTAINERS.

KL



A remotely possible explanation could be that they didn't know or realise the purpose of those strange attache cases.
Maybe it was two different engineers and chit-chat between the workers is not encouraged?
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Posted: Friday, December 22, 2017 - 04:22 AM GMT+7

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It is unbelievable to me that the DML kit designers did not see a problem when the fins were much longer than the fin CONTAINERS.

KL



Unfortunately that’s more a function of “we don’t care” on the part of Dragon.
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Posted: Friday, December 22, 2017 - 03:32 AM GMT+7


It is unbelievable to me that the DML kit designers did not see a problem when the fins were much longer than the fin CONTAINERS.

KL
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Posted: Thursday, December 21, 2017 - 08:16 PM GMT+7

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My PSM order just arrived today. Those hinged plates on the rear being swim vanes makes sense, it was capable of floating. Never seen or noticed that before. Nice touch that they’re included in the upgrade set. Scratch building the rocket fins is certainly doable, a lot of work but doable.



Thanks for the Info Chris, didn't know it was swim capable, the extra bits do look like flippers.

SFAIK, & searched for, they weren't fitted to British vehicles.

A mate was in the Engineers, & at some point British vehicles, Stalwart, CET, CVT's were de-ambhibianised, except M2 Aligator!


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Posted: Thursday, December 21, 2017 - 08:07 PM GMT+7
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Posted: Thursday, December 21, 2017 - 03:19 PM GMT+7
My PSM order just arrived today. Those hinged plates on the rear being swim vanes makes sense, it was capable of floating. Never seen or noticed that before. Nice touch that they’re included in the upgrade set. Scratch building the rocket fins is certainly doable, a lot of work but doable.
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Posted: Thursday, December 21, 2017 - 02:21 PM GMT+7
Thanks.

I'm on the fence as to whether this set is enough of an improvement to make it worthwhile to me. I can scratchbuild most of the pieces; the fins look to be the hardest pieces to make.

BTW, what are the hinge-type things added on the rear hull corners? Are these the swim vanes? Looks like they weren't always fitted.









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Posted: Thursday, December 21, 2017 - 01:35 AM GMT+7

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I came to post my resin shots, but having just arrived this afternoon (20th) I obviously lost this leg of the decathlon



How long and tall are the fins?

KL



"The I-3 Control Surface fins, in scale, should measure 4.49cm long and 1.4cm tall at the tallest point, (info: Chris Fish).

In the kit, they are 44.1mm long by 12.0mm tall.

The PSM Fins are 43.62mm long by 14.78mm tall.
Paracically the same length as the Dragon fins but as tall as Chris F. says they should be.

"Parts D-35/D-36 Control Surface Containers. The real ones were 6 x 28 x 56 or 68 inches. (Info: Chris Fish)

In 1/35th, I calculate this at:
4.35mm x 20.32mm x (40.64mm or 49.34mm)"

The PSM Resin Fincases are 48.46mm long by 19.58 by 2.82mm depth.
Dimensions exclude hinges, latches or straps.

They certainly look the part, more pics to follow
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Posted: Thursday, December 21, 2017 - 12:55 AM GMT+7
1- sorry am away can't measure but I will and compare with kit when I get home
2- also sorry I didn't realize that the imperfect resin piece I posted was actually just an extra thrown in for good measure. There is a perfect version of the same piece included as well. Excellent quality control would recommend!
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Posted: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 - 12:56 PM GMT+7

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I came to post my resin shots, but having just arrived this afternoon (20th) I obviously lost this leg of the decathlon



How long and tall are the fins?

KL
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Posted: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 - 12:43 PM GMT+7
Too bad about the bad casting but looks like it should be easy to fill. The rest of the parts look good.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 - 11:41 AM GMT+7




I came to post my resin shots, but having just arrived this afternoon (20th) I obviously lost this leg of the decathlon

Overall they are very nice, rather clear color instructions, nice crisp resin, some new decals as well. Their website has good high quality images if you like.


***EDIT-- I didn't realize that the poor casting was sent to me as a bonus extra! They caught it in quality control so they sent me two:). Better than just throwing it away***

My castings appear to have only one issue, one of the "briefcase" packages had a sizable air bubble as seen below. Still, shouldn't be hard to fill and sand with some putty. Or I'll find a tarp to drape over it!

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Posted: Saturday, December 16, 2017 - 05:55 AM GMT+7

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Very nice!!! Hoping my sets won’t be too long off.



Not taking any bets as to when I can start this though.
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Posted: Saturday, December 16, 2017 - 12:13 AM GMT+7

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Deal... got a shipping notification today (I think...)



Mine are also hopefully winging their way here.



I Win Guys!

Ordered 5th Dec, Posted 11th Dec, Arrived Sat 16th Dec

Obvious differences in size for the Fins & Flight cases, I'll measure up when I've got my assignment finished.

Thanks to Tat Baqui of Armoramas' News Section for the Heads Up, & my Overdraft for paying for it.... with Extra decals for some of my Bundeswehr vehicles.



Very nice!!! Hoping my sets won’t be too long off.
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Posted: Friday, December 15, 2017 - 10:46 PM GMT+7

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Deal... got a shipping notification today (I think...)



Mine are also hopefully winging their way here.



I Win Guys!

Ordered 5th Dec, Posted 11th Dec, Arrived Sat 16th Dec

Obvious differences in size for the Fins & Flight cases, I'll measure up when I've got my assignment finished.











Thanks to Tat Baqui of Armoramas' News Section for the Heads Up, & my Overdraft for paying for it.... with Extra decals for some of my Bundeswehr vehicles.
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Posted: Sunday, December 10, 2017 - 04:10 PM GMT+7

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Deal... got a shipping notification today (I think...)



Mine are also hopefully winging their way here.
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Posted: Sunday, December 10, 2017 - 02:51 PM GMT+7
Deal... got a shipping notification today (I think...)
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Posted: Saturday, December 09, 2017 - 10:43 PM GMT+7

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My pleasure. Happy to throw pics of the resin bits when they arrive if anyone wants



Race you... to post pics of the PSM upgrades
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Posted: Saturday, December 09, 2017 - 05:45 AM GMT+7
My pleasure. Happy to throw pics of the resin bits when they arrive if anyone wants
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Posted: Friday, December 08, 2017 - 03:23 PM GMT+7

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Same here. A couple of weeks I’d guess. The Eduard PE set just arrived today. Looks very nice. The engine deck screens and interior side panels look especially good.



Chris F, could you confirm if the drivers' compartment bits & placards are in colour/have text? If possible, post a pic?



No color for the PE and the placards are just the plain plates. My plan is to use the Archer 113 set again. Jon A thanks for posting the pic.