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Kampfgruppe Krause at the Falaise Gate
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Posted: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 - 05:38 AM GMT+7
Hey thanks Ski!

Here is the mini man with some primer on. This also helps me see the small defects quite easily. The left arm foliage loop,pin holes in the smock bottom and things like that. See any ?

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Posted: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 - 12:30 PM GMT+7
That is looking superb Jerry! I love the way you've got him sighting his target. I rethought the one I'm doing for the Artillery campaign and went for Wehrmacht in the end. I followed your lead on figure surgery and it didn't come out too badly for me lol. Nowhere near your standard but I was reasonably pleased with it.I used the Tamiya gun layer, well I say I used him but just used the top of his legs and his seat, the rest of him went in the bin. Everything else was DML including the amputated legs and I managed to get both hands on the traverse/elevation wheels (Hoorah!). Your method of posing figures has been a real inspiration to me. I used to be happy just mishmashing kits to get poses close to what I wanted but watching how you do it and how you get the figure to do exactly what you want has set me off in a new direction with my figures so I'm getting more ambitious with them lol.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 - 01:10 AM GMT+7

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That is looking superb Jerry! I love the way you've got him sighting his target. I rethought the one I'm doing for the Artillery campaign and went for Wehrmacht in the end. I followed your lead on figure surgery and it didn't come out too badly for me lol. Nowhere near your standard but I was reasonably pleased with it.I used the Tamiya gun layer, well I say I used him but just used the top of his legs and his seat, the rest of him went in the bin. Everything else was DML including the amputated legs and I managed to get both hands on the traverse/elevation wheels (Hoorah!). Your method of posing figures has been a real inspiration to me. I used to be happy just mishmashing kits to get poses close to what I wanted but watching how you do it and how you get the figure to do exactly what you want has set me off in a new direction with my figures so I'm getting more ambitious with them lol.



Thanks for the kind words buddy ! Welcome to the world of frankenstein posing ! I am happy if I could have helped you get to do this in any small way. Now that you made the leap you probably found out it is not as difficult as you thought,right ?
I love to show scenes that are not the "same old same old. And this is the way to make that happen !
Good news.
J
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Posted: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 - 03:09 AM GMT+7
You're right there. I always think it's a bit sad when you look at a diorama and can identify every single figure on there as being figure B or D from DML set 61** or 60**. Even more so when some people build all four figures straight out of the box and use them all together. It really takes the edge off a dio for me no matter how well it's painted. I'm quite fortunate in that I have a very well stocked abbatoir these days. I recently Mr Muscled a lot of older figures that weren't attached to any projects (more duplicates than I remember there being. I appear to have had 4 boxes of DML's Wehrmacht Kursk Pioneers at some point?)so now I've got a lot of donors for body parts plus all the untouched figures in the cubby hole. One of the things that I love about your dios is that the figures are unique and are specific to whatever task you have them doing whether it be on crew served weapons or individually tasked. Keep it up mate
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Posted: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 - 04:46 AM GMT+7

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You're right there. I always think it's a bit sad when you look at a diorama and can identify every single figure on there as being figure B or D from DML set 61** or 60**. Even more so when some people build all four figures straight out of the box and use them all together. It really takes the edge off a dio for me no matter how well it's painted. I'm quite fortunate in that I have a very well stocked abbatoir these days. I recently Mr Muscled a lot of older figures that weren't attached to any projects (more duplicates than I remember there being. I appear to have had 4 boxes of DML's Wehrmacht Kursk Pioneers at some point?)so now I've got a lot of donors for body parts plus all the untouched figures in the cubby hole. One of the things that I love about your dios is that the figures are unique and are specific to whatever task you have them doing whether it be on crew served weapons or individually tasked. Keep it up mate



Yep,I have also consolidated many boxes into way fewer ones. The older ones I put together in a big plastic bin and they are used for "grinders" when I will remove all surface detail,etc. I find this is quicker than the "armature" method,which takes longer because you hafta build up layers. The older Tamiya "ham fisted" figs also come in use for gloved hands !
J
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Posted: Saturday, August 26, 2017 - 02:36 AM GMT+7
Looking great Jerry!

The y-straps, belt etc look really good... smock and natrual looking pose as well.

Excellent stuff.

Cheers

Sean
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Posted: Saturday, August 26, 2017 - 01:25 PM GMT+7
Your gunner looks great, but...

The gun will kick back and rise up a bit when fired, so isn't that a risky position to be in?
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Posted: Sunday, August 27, 2017 - 12:57 AM GMT+7

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Looking great Jerry!

The y-straps, belt etc look really good... smock and natrual looking pose as well.

Excellent stuff.

Cheers

Sean



Thanks Sean,
Maybe your Sherman will be the one driving down the National Road into Falaise ?
J
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Posted: Sunday, August 27, 2017 - 01:00 AM GMT+7

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Your gunner looks great, but...

The gun will kick back and rise up a bit when fired, so isn't that a risky position to be in?



I have watched the you tube video many times of this gun being fired. Most recoil is caught by the slide and the muzzle break,very little drift involved and no "jump". You may be thinking of a civil war muzzle loader.
This will have some objects stuck behind the rear of the wheels and gun trails though. I have seen pics of that from the war.
J
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Posted: Sunday, August 27, 2017 - 03:20 PM GMT+7
Check out the video Pak 40 and Sherman live fire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6zxcyhJJGw

On a hard surface the gun will slide back. However, you're going to block the trails so all is well.

If you watch the side views you will see the gun lift up slightly when the trails are blocked. Most of the time the muzzle blast obscures it.

I looked close at the gun crews and several were positioned like your gunner, so it must not have been as much of an issue as I was thinking.
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Posted: Monday, August 28, 2017 - 02:14 AM GMT+7

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Check out the video Pak 40 and Sherman live fire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6zxcyhJJGw

On a hard surface the gun will slide back. However, you're going to block the trails so all is well.

If you watch the side views you will see the gun lift up slightly when the trails are blocked. Most of the time the muzzle blast obscures it.

I looked close at the gun crews and several were positioned like your gunner, so it must not have been as much of an issue as I was thinking.



It wasn't an issue if trained correctly. The gunner had to track the target to the last second and sitting on the trail was really the only safe option. He did have to pull his head to the left though before hitting the firing button on the sighting wheel because the site moved back with the barrel during recoil. This is why when we talked about the AT gun scene in the movie "Fury" the gun scored some misses because this was not as easy as a kid playing a video game. In the video you can see only a small slow roll back and it's not enough to hurt you unless you are really unlucky or unskilled. Now getting caught by the barrel during recoil is a different matter altogether.
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Posted: Monday, August 28, 2017 - 07:20 AM GMT+7

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Check out the video Pak 40 and Sherman live fire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6zxcyhJJGw

On a hard surface the gun will slide back. However, you're going to block the trails so all is well.

If you watch the side views you will see the gun lift up slightly when the trails are blocked. Most of the time the muzzle blast obscures it.

I looked close at the gun crews and several were positioned like your gunner, so it must not have been as much of an issue as I was thinking.



It wasn't an issue if trained correctly. The gunner had to track the target to the last second and sitting on the trail was really the only safe option. He did have to pull his head to the left though before hitting the firing button on the sighting wheel because the site moved back with the barrel during recoil. This is why when we talked about the AT gun scene in the movie "Fury" the gun scored some misses because this was not as easy as a kid playing a video game. In the video you can see only a small slow roll back and it's not enough to hurt you unless you are really unlucky or unskilled. Now getting caught by the barrel during recoil is a different matter altogether.
J



I like your dioramas because you have a gift of focus on the event and you research your ideas. I'm looking forward to your finished scene. I haven't seen Fury yet, but I liked the scene in A Bridge too Far where the AT guns shoot up the Shermans near the beginning.

In one of the YouTubes you can see the loader being pushed back slightly by the gun shield, and I think he pushes the gun back into place. However, the rise up I am seeing could be an optical effect, my eyes aren't the best anymore. Shades of black and grey are hard for me to make out.

I thought the sight was fixed to the left side of the gun mount?

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Posted: Monday, August 28, 2017 - 09:09 AM GMT+7

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Check out the video Pak 40 and Sherman live fire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6zxcyhJJGw

On a hard surface the gun will slide back. However, you're going to block the trails so all is well.

If you watch the side views you will see the gun lift up slightly when the trails are blocked. Most of the time the muzzle blast obscures it.

I looked close at the gun crews and several were positioned like your gunner, so it must not have been as much of an issue as I was thinking.



It wasn't an issue if trained correctly. The gunner had to track the target to the last second and sitting on the trail was really the only safe option. He did have to pull his head to the left though before hitting the firing button on the sighting wheel because the site moved back with the barrel during recoil. This is why when we talked about the AT gun scene in the movie "Fury" the gun scored some misses because this was not as easy as a kid playing a video game. In the video you can see only a small slow roll back and it's not enough to hurt you unless you are really unlucky or unskilled. Now getting caught by the barrel during recoil is a different matter altogether.
J



I like your dioramas because you have a gift of focus on the event and you research your ideas. I'm looking forward to your finished scene. I haven't seen Fury yet, but I liked the scene in A Bridge too Far where the AT guns shoot up the Shermans near the beginning.

In one of the YouTubes you can see the loader being pushed back slightly by the gun shield, and I think he pushes the gun back into place. However, the rise up I am seeing could be an optical effect, my eyes aren't the best anymore. Shades of black and grey are hard for me to make out.

I thought the sight was fixed to the left side of the gun mount?




Yep,you are correct. The sight is mounted on the carriage and not the recoiling portion.
J
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Posted: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 - 10:46 AM GMT+7
For anyone interested,here is my process I use for painting the oak leaf summer late style smocks.

First i lighten the red brown color from the AK splittermuster set (para set) and then use darker mixes for the lower spots and folds



Then I use the AK dark green from the WSS winter cammo set. This is for the color "islands". I consult a real smock and try to get it close. Difficult in this scale and patience trying for sure.



Next is a light olive green from the AK Erbsenmuster set. Since I am trying to make this smock an older faded one I use this green. The gun leader I already painted had darker colors and there I used the darker,richer light olive by Valajo.



Last pic. I added the dark green spots within the light olive green areas,then I used Vallejo cammo dark brown for the low areas of the whole smock.



There is also a mid tone brown color in the real cammo pattern of this type of smock but I gave up trying to make it even show up when I use it so I don't bother any more..

Compare these colors against the fig already painted



Next up will be the overall colors on the fig,then the darker accents and the lighter accents. Hey,it's a process.
J


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Posted: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 - 05:01 PM GMT+7
Thanks for that Jerry. You've made things a lot easier for me with that as I've been struggling for years to get smocks right (and failing) but at least now I've got the right tutelage and new techniques to try. Also the right colours as that's half the battle! I've got a bag full of SS in smocks destined for a dio, in the planning stage, who are just waiting for me to paint them which until now I'd been putting off and putting off. Methinks lots of practice coming up
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Posted: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 - 05:02 PM GMT+7
hey Jerry!
sure it is a process indeed, but one you master very well!
that camo is spectacular!
can't wait to see it finished!
ciao
edo
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Posted: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 - 07:31 AM GMT+7

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Thanks for that Jerry. You've made things a lot easier for me with that as I've been struggling for years to get smocks right (and failing) but at least now I've got the right tutelage and new techniques to try. Also the right colours as that's half the battle! I've got a bag full of SS in smocks destined for a dio, in the planning stage, who are just waiting for me to paint them which until now I'd been putting off and putting off. Methinks lots of practice coming up



Thanks Karl,
You already have the talent,so now do the practice and it will be great ! The smocks look daunting but after the mystique is pealed away they aren't that much of a booga=boo.
I look forward to seeing your progress with the bag-o-mini men
J
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Posted: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 - 07:32 AM GMT+7

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hey Jerry!
sure it is a process indeed, but one you master very well!
that camo is spectacular!
can't wait to see it finished!
ciao
edo



Thanks buddy!
I really appreciate the words of encouragement,
J
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Posted: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 - 08:28 AM GMT+7
Jerry, now I've finished my Pak 40 dio for the Artillery campaign I can have a bash at some SS smocks now you've shown us how to do it. It was originally going to be an SS crew but because I've not got the knack of painting smocks yet I went for a straightforward Heer crew. I know it's a cop out lol. I was quite pleased with how it came out in the end. One thing you may want to pick up if you've not got one is the AFV Club Pak 40 ammo set. It's a really good set with both 3 round boxes and metal tube containers. From memory about 18 tubes and 9 boxes with decals to go on both although I used some DML decals as well. Only drawback with the boxes is that there are no wooden dividers to go inside so I modified some from a Russian ammo box. There are two types of HE and two types of AT shell in there,6 of each so ideal for around the gun. The spent shells need drilling out though. If you have a look at my dio on the Arty campaign you can see the AFV club stuff I used....Karl
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Posted: Thursday, August 31, 2017 - 01:28 AM GMT+7

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Jerry, now I've finished my Pak 40 dio for the Artillery campaign I can have a bash at some SS smocks now you've shown us how to do it. It was originally going to be an SS crew but because I've not got the knack of painting smocks yet I went for a straightforward Heer crew. I know it's a cop out lol. I was quite pleased with how it came out in the end. One thing you may want to pick up if you've not got one is the AFV Club Pak 40 ammo set. It's a really good set with both 3 round boxes and metal tube containers. From memory about 18 tubes and 9 boxes with decals to go on both although I used some DML decals as well. Only drawback with the boxes is that there are no wooden dividers to go inside so I modified some from a Russian ammo box. There are two types of HE and two types of AT shell in there,6 of each so ideal for around the gun. The spent shells need drilling out though. If you have a look at my dio on the Arty campaign you can see the AFV club stuff I used....Karl



Kurt,
Thanks for th excellent tip. I was aware of that set but I went a different route and got the Dragon kit of the whole gun,which includes the same stuff,plus crew ! I also procured the brass shell set from Tamiya,which is very very nice.
I will have to check out your build on the campaign forum for sure.
J
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Posted: Thursday, August 31, 2017 - 01:37 AM GMT+7
Those figures look great. You're making it look too easy:)
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Posted: Thursday, August 31, 2017 - 04:06 AM GMT+7

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Those figures look great. You're making it look too easy:)


Thanks Paul,but it is actually the Optivisor that makes it "look easy" ! LoL
J
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Posted: Thursday, August 31, 2017 - 04:53 AM GMT+7
great dio!! an amazing job on the SS camo; I just started learning to paint these schemes and they are tricky; but if you carefully consult pics and great work like yours one can get some nice looking results; just a matter of practice; cheers
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Posted: Friday, September 01, 2017 - 01:13 AM GMT+7

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great dio!! an amazing job on the SS camo; I just started learning to paint these schemes and they are tricky; but if you carefully consult pics and great work like yours one can get some nice looking results; just a matter of practice; cheers



Yep,thanks buddy. I agree,the way you get to Carnegie Hall is....practice.
I try to paint like Rembrandt but it always ends up looking like Picasso !
J
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Posted: Friday, September 01, 2017 - 04:21 AM GMT+7
Hi Jerry ,

thanks a lot for your explanation about the painting process on the Wss camo patterns , very usefull for me because i am thinking about to repaint all the wss figures on my ardennes diorama . i guess you know which one

Good work so far and i like your style .

Cheers ,

Kurt ...... please don't call me Karl now