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Zvezda's Tiny Terminator Build
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Posted: Monday, January 01, 2018 - 02:49 AM GMT+7

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Hm... The main visual problem I can see in comparison with the real thing is that the kit idler appears to be further away from the first Road wheel than it should be. The spacing of the other wheels in relation to each other looks more or less OK. I hope you don't mind me saying so, but what you've done doesn't seem to have really fixed the problem, the second wheel now seems too close to the third, too far from the first.



No you are right and I have never noticed it before, just looked at the model ( as I know the Revell kit is correct to any drawings I have) the problem is not in the wheel spacing but the fact that the wheel has come loose! Who knew?, thanks for pointing it out, I never look that close once done, that and it's facing the other way in the cabinet!☺️
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Posted: Sunday, December 31, 2017 - 07:59 AM GMT+7
Hm... The main visual problem I can see in comparison with the real thing is that the kit idler appears to be further away from the first Road wheel than it should be. The spacing of the other wheels in relation to each other looks more or less OK. I hope you don't mind me saying so, but what you've done doesn't seem to have really fixed the problem, the second wheel now seems too close to the third, too far from the first.
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Posted: Sunday, December 31, 2017 - 02:04 AM GMT+7

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Simon, thank you for this; clearly it is far too late for me as mine is well into the painting stage, but your advice may possibly be heeded by Jan. How do you think Zvezda got into doing this? Have they based it on the incorrect variant of the basic T-72 chassis?

Matthew

Not sure how they managed it, but their 1/72 kit inherited all the problems of their 1/35 kit, i.e that the front lower glacis plate and entrenching tool, and the rear plate are too long, this in turn makes the actual hull floor too short, which in turn messes with the wheel spacing slightly etc. http://i.imgur.com/QdgzUz4.jpg
This is mine using the Revell hull and wheels with an old set of incorrect OKB T 90 tracks, as I say only modified the engineering points a perfect fit.
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Posted: Saturday, December 30, 2017 - 03:49 AM GMT+7
Nice build! I also used masking tape for my splinter camo (1:35).
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Posted: Thursday, December 28, 2017 - 07:39 AM GMT+7

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Simon, thank you for this; clearly it is far too late for me as mine is well into the painting stage, but your advice may possibly be heeded by Jan. How do you think Zvezda got into doing this? Have they based it on the incorrect variant of the basic T-72 chassis?



While I am no expert by a long haul and I have yet to open the Terminator's box, I do have a Revell T-90A kit and have mostly assembled the Zvezda T-90. I have put in a bit of work researching these subjects (T-90's, Terminators) and it can indeed get confusing. I believe that there are two T-90 "Russian hulls" plus a T-90 "Export hull" and it appears there are some dimensional differences in certain parts of specific versions. Now add to that there is a Terminator and a Terminator 2. The latter is made from refurbished T-72's and has mostly T-72 running gear and eliminates the two grenade launchers and their operators.

While I haven't studied them "ad-nauseum" my casual visual inspection of the Zvezda and Revell offerings appear to be quite close. I'll take the comments made under advisement but it's still too early in this process to make any plans. Bottom line is that I'm still on a high from finally getting a Terminator kit.

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Thursday, December 28, 2017 - 03:02 AM GMT+7
Simon, thank you for this; clearly it is far too late for me as mine is well into the painting stage, but your advice may possibly be heeded by Jan. How do you think Zvezda got into doing this? Have they based it on the incorrect variant of the basic T-72 chassis?

Matthew
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Posted: Thursday, December 28, 2017 - 02:44 AM GMT+7
One thing you might want to note, is that the Zvezda lower hull, like their T 90 kit is totally wrong, the overall dimension is correct but every other one in between is wrong. Good news, the Revell T 90 lower hull is a perfect replacement that will give you better wheels and dimensions, just the engineering attachment points at the front need some slight modification, but you can easily cut the ones from Zvezda to do this.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 - 10:08 AM GMT+7
Well, it has taken a while but finally this has made an appearance. BMPT by Jan Etal, on Flickr

I had ordered this twice with the first time being when this thread appeared. Each time the place I ordered from failed to deliver. In desperation I sent off a letter to the chubby fellow in the red suit with white trim and it arrived Christmas Eve.

Matthew, I shall be following your build and instructions in this thread with due diligence to be sure that all 197 parts end up where they should be. To all reading this thread, best wishes for whatever season is appropriate to you.

Cheers,
A Happy Jan
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Posted: Saturday, July 29, 2017 - 09:08 AM GMT+7
Jan, indeed, I think the colour you show in your photo is what I should be using, and mine is XF-55. The lid and the paint in the bottle don't really look grey, but once applied next to the other colours it does. As I said, I hope, as the other colours are basically brown variations, I should be able to lay some translucent coat over the top of the whole thing to bring it to a more browny sandy appearance. I think at this scale, the contrast between the colours needs to be toned down in any case.
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Posted: Saturday, July 29, 2017 - 06:45 AM GMT+7
Matthew,

Fascinating developments and progress on this rather complex endeavour. I am somewhat puzzled by your images and commentary about colour issues in particular where you refer to the Tamiya "Deck Tan" and how it looks kind of "greyish". Am I kind of colour blind, are their issues with digital cameras or monitors? Looking at the colour I use which is marked as "Wooden Deck Tan" XF-78, mine appears to have a somewhat more yellowish tint to it. Example: The boxes are XF-78

Opel Load 3:4-2 by Jan Etal, on Flickr

This got me curious if we were talking about the same colour. It turns out we were NOT. Your "Deck Tan" is XF-55 and indeed more greyish. Thank heavens we were talking about the proverbial " apples and oranges" and I wasn't about to lose my mind.

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Saturday, July 29, 2017 - 03:45 AM GMT+7
Main colour added on top of second layer of masking - lots more layers in some places...



All masking removed... looks a little "raw" and some retouching is needed where masking didn't quite join up, or paint crept under the edges, mainly around rivets I think. Not too bad though, it gives something to work with as a base coat. Lower hull is lagging one paint step behind. Deck Tan on reflection is definitely too grey, but I hope it is pale enough that I can give it a filter / glaze with something to warm it up a bit and move it towards something more sandy.



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Posted: Thursday, July 27, 2017 - 10:51 AM GMT+7
Masking complete on top, looks a bit rough:



Track units masked:

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Posted: Monday, July 24, 2017 - 10:42 AM GMT+7
Forgot about the wheels / tracks. Don't laugh at the masking on the wheels...

Tamiya Semi-gloss Black:

Masking off:

Looks very black, but it seems that the tracks were painted black on the model at the arms fair.
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Posted: Monday, July 24, 2017 - 10:27 AM GMT+7

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I applaud your ingenuity and taking the initiative to use more "commonly" available and perhaps less costly paints for this project.


:) I think impatient and tight fisted is more like it... Tamiya paints tend to go a bit gungy when there's not a lot left and they don't get used for a while, so this is an opportunity to use them up.


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I must say that for some reason I have never thought of using "Deck Tan" as a member of a "modern" camouflage scheme


It does look a little bit grey in the photo, but is less so in reality, and I think is an OK match for the real thing. The real colour is very pale, more so than any other shade I had.

So a little progress on the upper parts, starting with painting most of it with Model Air "Hull Red", paying attention to where the smallish patches of choc brown will be.

This is the pre-cut masking sheet, with the surround peeled off already:

Although thin and flexible, it seemed to me nowhere near mouldable enough to stick to the quite complicated surface of the model, lifting off the surface too easily. Not too much of a problem though, as it makes it very easy to cut the mask out of Tamiya tape, and the pre-cut mask can then be stuck back on the backing sheet:



Some of the contours are complex and occasionally, as the instructions in the masking kit say, a little extra tape is needed in certain places.
So here it is after applying Tamiya Desert Yellow over the masking.


And this is where I am now up to, adding the next set of masks, this next colour being made of bigger shapes:
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Posted: Friday, July 14, 2017 - 02:46 AM GMT+7
Matthew,

I applaud your ingenuity and taking the initiative to use more "commonly" available and perhaps less costly paints for this project. I can truly see the labour intensiveness of masking off all that suspension surface area. I'll reserve further comment until this "process" is further revealed. I must say that for some reason I have never thought of using "Deck Tan" as a member of a "modern" camouflage scheme but your example of using it has awakened a dormant idea or two.

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Thursday, July 13, 2017 - 11:16 AM GMT+7
Jan, well hopefully I am going to demonstrate a method that succeeds... it is quite labourious with lots of masking, but avoids gluing painted wheels to tracks.

Sounds like a good result with the local hobby shops, perhaps that is a product of the Canadian community spirit that I have read of.

Andras, thanks for that, it is a very accurately designed kit so builds up well.

Ralph, if you look back to the previous page you'll see the paint mask set I've bought to paint this in the finish seen at the Russian Arms Expo 2013.

When looking at which colours to use I was tempted to order the AK Modern Russian AFV set which has paints to do this scheme, but then decided I could do it acceptably without spending any money. So the base coat is Tamiya Deck Tan, and the darker sand is Tamiya Desert Yellow. Here is just the basecoat for the pale sand wheels and the hull sides, then masked off for the two dark yellow wheels on each side.









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Posted: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 - 07:55 AM GMT+7
Matt,

great build! I am seriously thinking about choosing the 1/72 option for this vehicle instead of the Trumpeter one... thank you for showing what can be done with this kit.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 - 07:34 AM GMT+7
Matthew, I don't think this is what they meant by Red Army

I have to say, this thing looks even meaner in a coat of red. What are your plans for the final finish? Prototype? Khazak? A What-if?

To answer your previous question I ordered this kit, the T-90, and ISU-152.

See a pattern?
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Posted: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 - 02:30 AM GMT+7
Well, I truly was wondering what might have occurred with this creation. I must confess though, that when I saw the entire suspension assembled and coated with the primer it caused an involuntary shudder to run down my spine. The process of assembling and painting a tank/armoured vehicle suspension has always been a laborious affair to me. I have experimented with what seems like countless techniques and have yet to find one I like. And yes, I have known individuals who assemble and paint these small scale creations after an overall base coat with 5 X 0 script brush detailing but the idea of that boggles my mind.


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Jan, did you make it to your nearest but now not so near paint supplier?



In the couple of months since my post above our local community of modellers have banded together to lobby and in any way possible try to influence, cajole, threaten or even bribe a few local merchants to at least stock a minimal of hobby supplies. One shop in the local downtown area that specializes in games pieces, games and collectables has graciously acquiesced to our requests and has over time added almost the entire range of Tamiya paints and modelling hobby products to its inventory (my brand of choice). I am also pleased to report that response by the public to this addition has resulted in them starting to carry a few kits and make arrangements with kit suppliers to order what a customer might want that they don't stock. Since then a couple of other shops have started to carry limited modelling supplies like glues, hobby knife blades and/or a few tools as well as have certain kits available by personal order. Not as concise as our old super shop but at least a good working minimal.

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - 08:33 AM GMT+7

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I think Zvezda should send you a thankyou free kit, because I just ordered this and a few of their other braille scale kits.



Ralph, while I agree, this is in fact an Armorama review sample, so I guess in a sense they already did... sort of. I'm glad you've enjoyed the thread, I do appreciate the feedback, thank you. Which kits did you order?

It was timely of you to bring this thread up now, as having got through several other reviews over the last two months I revisited this over the last weekend, and gave it a coat of primer. Reading the above post again tells me that while I remembered to add the aerial holder (I cut the broken aerial off) I forgot about this missing bit of detail on the side skirt. I'll think about doing something about it while painting the tracks, which is the first bit that I plan to do.

Anyway, not especially interesting photos, but it shows how I have it broken down for painting, even if not everyone will agree with this method... Red oxide primer - no special reason other than I have a mostly full can, and this is going to end up in mostly brownish shades, so why not? When I give it a really close look I expect to pick up some defects under this.







Jan, did you make it to your nearest but now not so near paint supplier?
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Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - 02:54 AM GMT+7
Thank you for sharing your SBS build. I love this sort of thing. I also crave these kinds of kits, where little parts build up into larger structures and take shape. This is what makes modeling fun for me!

I think Zvezda should send you a thankyou free kit, because I just ordered this and a few of their other braille scale kits.
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Posted: Sunday, May 07, 2017 - 02:41 AM GMT+7
Matthew,

What can I say other than I am impressed with your progress and mildly intimidated with this particular kit. While the T-90 kit is in many ways pleasantly complex and enjoyable, it appears that Zvezda has upped the ante with this kit.


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Jan, I'm glad this has inspired you to tackle more of the T-90, and I agree that the fit and design of these kits is very good indeed, with the track system being probably the best I have seen in this scale at the present time.



Matthew, the fact that I was inspired enough to have successfully tried the track system on my T-90 attests that if doing yours wasn't meant to influence me, I'd say it DID! My current delay on further progress is caused by my only local full service hobby shop having closed its' doors due to the owners retirement and thereby not having suitable paints available within 30 miles (50 km). I should be travelling to the location of the nearest suitable emporium early next week and will have a suitable(and sizeable) list of supplies to stock up on.

As for that little issue with the detail on the side skirt, Perhaps a small piece of stretched sprue might be just the "ticket" to rectify it's look.

Keep up the excellent work!

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Saturday, May 06, 2017 - 02:54 AM GMT+7
The tow cable (see step 13 above) is quite a nice moulding, with the four eyes moulded separately, the sockets being open at the back with the missing portion of the socket being moulded with the cable, so that they can only be fitted one way.


This provides a well moulded and detailed cable, note the included nuts/bolts, and the clips on the upper run:


The lower inward facing shackles are to be held in place by the two hooks, D16, on the hull rear; I think if the hooks are attached first, the shackles won't fit under them, so I suppose you have a choice of cementing the hooks with shackles in place, then attaching the cable to those two shackles later, or else attaching the hooks to the shackles and then the whole assembly to the hull later, which is what I chose to do. Of course, you may prefer to just assemble everything prior to painting...
In this photo, the hull top and bottom is taped together and the upper cable ends blu-tacked in place in order to get the other ends in position over the location for the two hooks; the right hook has been cemented to the shackle in the main photo, with the inset showing the cable assembly when set.


I experienced a mishap with the turret with one of the covers for the gun sight disappearing. Luckily there is the optional part provided for a closed cover - I guess it could be cut in half, but I decided to play safe and just add it in one piece:



As we are nearing the end of construction prior to any painting, I removed the remaining large components from the sprue, including the other main side armour skirt which had this unfortunate feature, where the attachment point is where there should, I think, be a piece of detail which is therefore missing. Compare below the untrimmed attachment point circled with the detail in the rectangle.


So there remain a few delicate parts which should probably be added much later. There are wing mirrors that attach to the armour skirts, but photos show that these are really optional, possibly just added for road driving? Then there is the aerial, which I managed to break the thin part of, but I will drill that out, and add the base to the turret, then add the thin part after painting. The bar armour at the rear cannot practically be added until the hull is in one piece.

Jan, I'm glad this has inspired you to tackle more of the T-90, and I agree that the fit and design of these kits is very good indeed, with the track system being probably the best I have seen in this scale at the present time.


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Posted: Saturday, May 06, 2017 - 02:24 AM GMT+7
Looking back at instruction step 11 in the post above, following the tracks the two part D10s were added. These resemble track spares, though don't look like full links.


Then ignoring step 12 for now, which joins the hull halves together, skipping to 13 to add some rear hull detail:




Then forward to what you can see is the last step, 14, to just add the sub-assembly from 14-b and part A19:


This is quite tricky as the two parts join along a thin edge, needing to be vertically parallel and both fixed to the hull. I added A19 first:

Then 14-b, and clamped it together to eliminate the gaps along the long edge which tended to open up:



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Posted: Saturday, April 29, 2017 - 03:01 AM GMT+7
@Matthew,

This is turning out to be an excellent and interestingly complex kit. Taking that into consideration, you are making good progress on it's construction. Thanks to your "advances" in the construction that you've posted here, I felt "adventurous" today and removed Track Part #1 from its sprue and tested it's fit. What can I say other than "PERFECT"!!!!! That track is meant for the right side of the suspension, I lined up the hole in it with the peg on the third wheel and it all but wrapped around the other suspension components by itself! BTW, the "scored/pre-scribed" track sections bent around their respective wheels like a charm, including the sprocket teeth. Oh, the meeting of the two ends of the single piece track part/unit was nothing short of perfect! This experience only reinforces my loathing of link and length track systems when compared to what Zvezda has achieved with tracks in these kits.

Stepping down off soap box!

Cheers,
Jan