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Armor/AFV: Braille Scale
1/72 and 1/76 Scale Armor and AFVs.
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Zvezda's Tiny Terminator Build
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Posted: Friday, July 28, 2017 - 08:45 PM UTC
Main colour added on top of second layer of masking - lots more layers in some places...



All masking removed... looks a little "raw" and some retouching is needed where masking didn't quite join up, or paint crept under the edges, mainly around rivets I think. Not too bad though, it gives something to work with as a base coat. Lower hull is lagging one paint step behind. Deck Tan on reflection is definitely too grey, but I hope it is pale enough that I can give it a filter / glaze with something to warm it up a bit and move it towards something more sandy.



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Posted: Friday, July 28, 2017 - 11:45 PM UTC
Matthew,

Fascinating developments and progress on this rather complex endeavour. I am somewhat puzzled by your images and commentary about colour issues in particular where you refer to the Tamiya "Deck Tan" and how it looks kind of "greyish". Am I kind of colour blind, are their issues with digital cameras or monitors? Looking at the colour I use which is marked as "Wooden Deck Tan" XF-78, mine appears to have a somewhat more yellowish tint to it. Example: The boxes are XF-78

Opel Load 3:4-2 by Jan Etal, on Flickr

This got me curious if we were talking about the same colour. It turns out we were NOT. Your "Deck Tan" is XF-55 and indeed more greyish. Thank heavens we were talking about the proverbial " apples and oranges" and I wasn't about to lose my mind.

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Saturday, July 29, 2017 - 02:08 AM UTC
Jan, indeed, I think the colour you show in your photo is what I should be using, and mine is XF-55. The lid and the paint in the bottle don't really look grey, but once applied next to the other colours it does. As I said, I hope, as the other colours are basically brown variations, I should be able to lay some translucent coat over the top of the whole thing to bring it to a more browny sandy appearance. I think at this scale, the contrast between the colours needs to be toned down in any case.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 - 03:08 AM UTC
Well, it has taken a while but finally this has made an appearance. BMPT by Jan Etal, on Flickr

I had ordered this twice with the first time being when this thread appeared. Each time the place I ordered from failed to deliver. In desperation I sent off a letter to the chubby fellow in the red suit with white trim and it arrived Christmas Eve.

Matthew, I shall be following your build and instructions in this thread with due diligence to be sure that all 197 parts end up where they should be. To all reading this thread, best wishes for whatever season is appropriate to you.

Cheers,
A Happy Jan
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Posted: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 - 07:44 PM UTC
One thing you might want to note, is that the Zvezda lower hull, like their T 90 kit is totally wrong, the overall dimension is correct but every other one in between is wrong. Good news, the Revell T 90 lower hull is a perfect replacement that will give you better wheels and dimensions, just the engineering attachment points at the front need some slight modification, but you can easily cut the ones from Zvezda to do this.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 - 08:02 PM UTC
Simon, thank you for this; clearly it is far too late for me as mine is well into the painting stage, but your advice may possibly be heeded by Jan. How do you think Zvezda got into doing this? Have they based it on the incorrect variant of the basic T-72 chassis?

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Posted: Thursday, December 28, 2017 - 12:39 AM UTC

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Simon, thank you for this; clearly it is far too late for me as mine is well into the painting stage, but your advice may possibly be heeded by Jan. How do you think Zvezda got into doing this? Have they based it on the incorrect variant of the basic T-72 chassis?



While I am no expert by a long haul and I have yet to open the Terminator's box, I do have a Revell T-90A kit and have mostly assembled the Zvezda T-90. I have put in a bit of work researching these subjects (T-90's, Terminators) and it can indeed get confusing. I believe that there are two T-90 "Russian hulls" plus a T-90 "Export hull" and it appears there are some dimensional differences in certain parts of specific versions. Now add to that there is a Terminator and a Terminator 2. The latter is made from refurbished T-72's and has mostly T-72 running gear and eliminates the two grenade launchers and their operators.

While I haven't studied them "ad-nauseum" my casual visual inspection of the Zvezda and Revell offerings appear to be quite close. I'll take the comments made under advisement but it's still too early in this process to make any plans. Bottom line is that I'm still on a high from finally getting a Terminator kit.

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Friday, December 29, 2017 - 08:49 PM UTC
Nice build! I also used masking tape for my splinter camo (1:35).
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Posted: Saturday, December 30, 2017 - 07:04 PM UTC

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Simon, thank you for this; clearly it is far too late for me as mine is well into the painting stage, but your advice may possibly be heeded by Jan. How do you think Zvezda got into doing this? Have they based it on the incorrect variant of the basic T-72 chassis?

Matthew

Not sure how they managed it, but their 1/72 kit inherited all the problems of their 1/35 kit, i.e that the front lower glacis plate and entrenching tool, and the rear plate are too long, this in turn makes the actual hull floor too short, which in turn messes with the wheel spacing slightly etc. http://i.imgur.com/QdgzUz4.jpg
This is mine using the Revell hull and wheels with an old set of incorrect OKB T 90 tracks, as I say only modified the engineering points a perfect fit.
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Posted: Sunday, December 31, 2017 - 12:59 AM UTC
Hm... The main visual problem I can see in comparison with the real thing is that the kit idler appears to be further away from the first Road wheel than it should be. The spacing of the other wheels in relation to each other looks more or less OK. I hope you don't mind me saying so, but what you've done doesn't seem to have really fixed the problem, the second wheel now seems too close to the third, too far from the first.
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Posted: Sunday, December 31, 2017 - 07:49 PM UTC

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Hm... The main visual problem I can see in comparison with the real thing is that the kit idler appears to be further away from the first Road wheel than it should be. The spacing of the other wheels in relation to each other looks more or less OK. I hope you don't mind me saying so, but what you've done doesn't seem to have really fixed the problem, the second wheel now seems too close to the third, too far from the first.



No you are right and I have never noticed it before, just looked at the model ( as I know the Revell kit is correct to any drawings I have) the problem is not in the wheel spacing but the fact that the wheel has come loose! Who knew?, thanks for pointing it out, I never look that close once done, that and it's facing the other way in the cabinet!☺️