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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2017 - 06:05 AM GMT+7
The M-1 Flatrack:


This is considered by the military to be the ideal flatrack. However the increased weight of this bulkhead flatrack AND the increased cost of the design has forced it to be designated as "limited standard".
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Posted: Saturday, November 18, 2017 - 03:38 AM GMT+7
Digital renderings come from the Shapeways website:

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Posted: Saturday, November 18, 2017 - 02:27 AM GMT+7
Mike Goldberg's digitally printed CHU has now been uploaded to the Shapeways site and is available here for purchase:

https://www.shapeways.com/product/WATAJ4Z64/1-35-container-handling-unit-chu-msp35-070?key=7e1e586e1168db18924648a69d56456a
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Posted: Friday, November 17, 2017 - 05:40 PM GMT+7
Here are Mike's new ISO Corner Blocks that arrived today from Shapeways.
(I have added a light coat of primer in order to see them better:



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Posted: Friday, November 17, 2017 - 02:31 AM GMT+7
SOON TO BE NEW PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT:

Just in the odd chance that a few out there have missed this. Mike Goldberg has been working on digitally reproducing both the corner blocks for scratch building your own containers

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . AND . . . . . . (drum roll please!)

an actual scale CHU digital model for we nuts out there interested in the supply side of modern combat.

TA-DAH! - Get ready to place your Shapeways orders!



(All images above are the property of Mike Goldberg - MS Productions)


Link to Mike G's page on the design and creation of his CHU:

http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=245315&page=42#2233003
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Posted: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 - 05:55 PM GMT+7
Worked some on the CROPS Flatrack tonight but the roller end is as yet, still un-detailed. Also finished up the open doors on the Trumpeter container.







This is almost every resin shipping crate I own and the CROPS rack is still not half full.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 - 05:53 PM GMT+7
and THAT is why I asked!

Again thank you Frenchy
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Posted: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 - 06:27 AM GMT+7

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They certainly seem fairly basic and buildable out of brass tube and Evergreen shapes.



Another option would be using Voyager PE set 35007 :



and scratchbuilding the tubes...

H.P.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 - 06:07 AM GMT+7
Once again I wish these and the Patriot rocket reload pods were available separately to use as Flatrack and HEMTT loads.





Anyone have the specs or a technical drawing on these? They certainly seem fairly basic and buildable out of brass tube and Evergreen shapes.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 - 04:03 AM GMT+7
Beauty shot here:

PLS with 20' civilian container using the original design CHU to grab the load.

Note: Container load lock laying on the ground waiting to be applied.

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Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 - 03:58 PM GMT+7
Dawg gone it - I need some loads for my CROP and for my two other Flatracks!





My 'load" may end up being just Lego blocks wrapped in Kleenex but I have got to do something.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 - 11:27 AM GMT+7
I apologize that this thread seems to be getting so fractured. If you have not been following along it has probably gotten to the point where you might not know just what is being talked about. First it started with the Mk 8x8 LHS(The original Topic), then onto the CHU (Container Handling Unit), then container lore in general and now I throw in a side trip looking into the CROPS Flatrack.

This thread, like my modeling, just seems to go wherever the interest leads next at any given moment!

Again I apologize and promise to get back to the Mk eventually. I hope on one level or another everyone is enjoying the journey. I know I am.

Thanks too for all the input from ye fellow modelers. Keep it coming!

Regards.

Mike K.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 - 10:30 AM GMT+7
Discussion going on elsewhere on the Armorama website comparing the merits of the Italeri scale model container vs. the Trumpeter product.

http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=263665&page=1#2232365
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Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 - 02:14 AM GMT+7
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Posted: Monday, November 13, 2017 - 02:25 PM GMT+7
I was fortunate to have recently acquired a Trumpeter 20' container which I just finished tonight. I can now confirm that both the Italeri 20' container and the Trumpeter 20' have roughly the same overall measurements. Therefore my two LHS trucks and my home built CHU appear to work just fine with either manufacture.



The Italeri product is on the left, the Trumpeter on the right. The following may be of interest to some: Given the significant differences in the corrugations of the various wall panels and the layout of the parts on the sprues, I can confirm that the two offerings are produced from totally different tooling.

Comments would be: The Italeri tooling offers somewhat larger gluing areas and the container seems to go together a bit more easily. On the other hand the Trumpeter offering includes the four ventilators cast into the upper sidewalls. The Italeri container is missing these vents.

Finally, to Italeri's credit, their container comes with three different but complete decal marking sets - US Army, US Marines and Italian Military. The Trumpeter offering comes ONLY with "China Shipping" decals. As Captain Hook would say: "Bad form Peter!"

Fortunately, thanks to Italeri I had enough decals to letter both containers; one for the US Army the other for the Marines.
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Posted: Monday, November 13, 2017 - 01:27 PM GMT+7
Have not been able to work on the roller end of the CROPS rack because I have not been able to find any reference on that part of the structure. However that just changed.


Waiting now for corner block castings to come in from Shapeways before continuing with my CROPS.
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Posted: Monday, November 13, 2017 - 12:16 PM GMT+7

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Gino - just to add further to your statement above.

There is already an Army contract in place with Oshkosh to upgrade ALL the existing HEMTT A2's to the new A4 design. These upgraded vehicles will, upon re-delivery carry an "as new", full vehicle warranty and be given new body/frame ID numbers.

The HEMTT and PLS families of vehicles are here to stay!



But I still think the Mk 8x8 LHS would be cheaper to purchase than the 10x10 PLS. (If the Mk were placed in full production.)
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Posted: Monday, November 13, 2017 - 10:28 AM GMT+7
Today's progress on my CROPS Flatrack:



Really going through my supply of Evergreen plastic shapes! I have to say, I really liked doing that framing under the deck!
(For some reason I'm big on detailing things you may never see again????)
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Posted: Monday, November 13, 2017 - 06:47 AM GMT+7
Gino - just to add further to your statement above.

There is already an Army contract in place with Oshkosh to upgrade ALL the existing HEMTT A2's to the new A4 design. These upgraded vehicles will, upon re-delivery carry an "as new", full vehicle warranty and be given new body/frame ID numbers.

The HEMTT and PLS families of vehicles are here to stay!
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Posted: Monday, November 13, 2017 - 05:37 AM GMT+7

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Yet the Mk probably costs less...



Probably not. With the number of HEMTT/PLSs that the US Army already has and all the new features on the Mk23 PLS/LHS (whatever we are calling it) it probably cost more per unit than a PLS does off the assembly line. In a few years when there are more MK23s out there they may be closer in price. However, since the Mk23 is only a USN/USMC vehicle, it will probably never near the number of HEMTT/PLSs that have been produced over the years, thus never closing the price per unit gap.

Likewise, the Army already has contracts and programming to keep the HEMTT/PLSs around for a long time. Also, we (Army) don't need a 7 ton truck, so I don't see us ever buying MK23 variants.
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Posted: Monday, November 13, 2017 - 05:05 AM GMT+7
Just an observation regarding the Experimental Oshkosh 8x8 Mk?? LHS vehicle:

As much as I admire the big 10x10 PLS for it's wonderfully massive design, it still has a load capacity of only 16.5 tons. The Experimental Oshkosh 8x8 also has a load capacity of 16.5 tons and both vehicles are off-road capable. Yet the Mk probably costs less, certainly weighs less, is physically smaller and I suspect is easier to maintain. (The engine is certainly more accessible on the Mk.)

My observation/question: Why is the Mk still considered experimental while the massive PLS is the current military standard?


Duh, because that's how the military procurement system works, dummy???
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Posted: Sunday, November 12, 2017 - 12:30 PM GMT+7
A little bit of rusty reference:

. . .

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Posted: Sunday, November 12, 2017 - 07:00 AM GMT+7
Some general reference on containers:


. . .

Been wondering just what that little bugger (Ventilator) was.
There is one in each upper corner of the sidewalls for a total of four.
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Posted: Sunday, November 12, 2017 - 05:50 AM GMT+7
Thank you chey!

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Here is a product suggestion for some enterprising AM manufacture:

Graffiti decals in 1/35th scale. Blair Products makes them in HO and N scale but nothing for the larger scales.

Just putt'n it out there!


(I did just buy some blank laser print decal paper. I don't know how well that works but I plan to find out. I guess I need to go out and photograph the local graffiti on buildings and railroad cars and print some of my own.)
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Posted: Sunday, November 12, 2017 - 03:03 AM GMT+7
Stunning work Mike .
The container is absolutely beautiful!!!