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War on Saddam?
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Posted: Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 03:51 AM UTC

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.....boy, I would love to expand on that, but then, it would only be the ramblings of an old soldier now wouldn't it?

Tread.

BTW Arthur, your website is called 'BritishPaintbox' , yet your herald is Scotland?
I was born in Preston, England. My 'Da' was born in Edinburgh, not far from the Firth of Forth. Was just curious.....



I was born in the Highlands and proud of it,but i am also British and proud of that too.
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Posted: Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 04:02 AM UTC

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I still say...NUKE 'EM.
(I'm playing the role of the disspassionate cynic)



oooooooohh! Chris you cynic you.
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Posted: Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 08:00 AM UTC

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Jim,

thx for pointing out that this is a "no speaking, just writing zone" and that we have to do it with the stuff we read, without being able to hear the finetuning in the lines that were written.

I've been re-reading the posts (including Armour's post) again and.....you are absolutely right. I guess I got carried away with the long posts that I completely missed Armour's line of being a disspassionate cynic. I feel such a jack@ss for overlooking that one.

I officially like to post this excuse to Armour :


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Armour, I want to apologise for misinterpreting your post and for reacting in a very stupid way. I'll be more careful next time.



Sure I could have deleted my reaction, but I'd like to admit that I was wrong here. Armour, I hope you forgive me on this one.




Certainly, Eagle. Apology accepted. I have taken no offense. I am by nature very cynical and I always find humor in everything.

My rule....EVERYTHING IS FAIR GAME (when it comes to humor)

That being said....I am very very very PRO AMERICA and PRO MILITARY, I honestly do not think that nuke'n the middle east is the 1st choice for our government (although that would ensure we would get rid of the terrorist within the blast zone ). However, as a combat decorated Marine, who has served this wonderful country with all of my heart and soul, I cannot accept the position of standing idlely by and watching the terrorists, sit back on their rock and laugh at us.

This is by far the most powerful country on the planet; we cannot let "them" (and by that I mean terrorists, wherever they may reside) continue to live. We have to get extremely serious with our military's spec ops, and open a can of serious, weapons grade, industrial strength, USDA approved whoop ass.

Of course that is just my opinion....I could be wrong

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Posted: Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 08:48 AM UTC
Ok time for my 2 cents, Tread thank you especially for {A} I've lost friends in viet nam
and lebanon denez could not have ever felt this loss . I give denz the respect for
holding his ground and his feelings. Not with standing he cant understand
this is about an empire of Islam they want the same empire they had in midevil
{sp} times . I have little respect for any one that kill civilians they are cowards
they tried this in 1816 1818 the barabary coast.i didnot work then either.
We can not and should not nuke anyone. Unless it follows our dertertant
restraints. But there are are other opitions . We the U.S. should use every
one of them. If innocent people get killed I'm truly sorry But they have a choice
they can leave.
Remember war is war any thing else is murder. Murder in any ones name is
still murder. I will probably draw flack over this , but when you see you friends
to one of these S.O.B. you'll have to re think this.

With all due respect:: thanks tread for waking me up.


ponysoldier


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Posted: Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 08:59 AM UTC
Does the crosshairs of an SVD bring anything to anyones imagination. Problem is, I wish that the US Special Forces played as dirty as the Russian Spetznaz so they could murder Saddam without having to answer to anyone. Sometimes I wish we didn't play by the rules and would take out people that need extermination.
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Posted: Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 09:26 AM UTC
Nice call Chris Just one name on apiece of paper.


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Posted: Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 04:59 PM UTC

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Certainly, Eagle. Apology accepted. I have taken no offense. I am by nature very cynical and I always find humor in everything.



Damn Armour, then we have more in common than the posts show. Though I'm also the cynical guy, who seeks and finds humor in everey corner of the room, I'm also having difficulty to put that specific thoughts into writing. Damn thoughts are so easy misinterpreted.

I'm glad this subject was brought up. Though I was ashamed at first for posting a stupid reaction, I now am reminded again that there are different characters behind the callsigns. Give's it sort of a personal touch....

I hope you don't get impression, from my primary reaction on the nuking thing, that I'm one of those guys who just wants to sit back and do nothing.....I'm not like that at all.

I fully second the quote below.


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cannot accept the position of standing idlely by and watching the terrorists, sit back on their rock and laugh at us



If I was the "do nothing" type of guy, my 6 years as an Armored Infantry Officer would have been a total waste....

My moto " If you can't talk em out of it......beet 'm out of it" still counts.
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Posted: Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 09:47 PM UTC

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Thanks to staff-jim and Treadhead for another well-balanced op-ed I fully agree with.

If I lived out there and felt my enemies were killing them, I would not go kill innocent civilians by blowing up a bus or crashing a plane. No. I would go after the enemy itself.

Tthese terrorists are just very dangerous maniacs. It struck me as odd that it turned out the terrorists responsible for 911 ordered porn videos and stuff like that. Not exactly the "pure" religious types eh? They use religion to mobilize support they would otherwise not get.




Thanks for the comment stavka2000, you also said some good things. (above).

Tread.
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Posted: Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 09:52 PM UTC

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.....boy, I would love to expand on that, but then, it would only be the ramblings of an old soldier now wouldn't it?

Tread.

BTW Arthur, your website is called 'BritishPaintbox' , yet your herald is Scotland?
I was born in Preston, England. My 'Da' was born in Edinburgh, not far from the Firth of Forth. Was just curious.....



I was born in the Highlands and proud of it,but i am also British and proud of that too.
Arthur



Ohhhh, many thx for the 'clarity' Arthur. So, you were born Scottish, but you're also British huh?
Hmmmmm,........are you sure it's not that you just want an excuse to wear a dress (kilt)???


Tread.

Just kiddin' ya Arthur. I wear a dress(kilt) everytime I have to go pipe! I'm always worried though that I'll show the ladies too much bare knee.
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Posted: Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 09:54 PM UTC

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For those of you who think that attacking our enimies will solve our problems, ponder this hypothetical situation; You get in an argument with your neighbor over a tree he cut down that you think was on your property. You want to get back at hhim so you plant weeds in his well maintained flower bed. He notices a while later and takes his weed-wacker over to your property and cuts down evrery living thing in sight. You call the cops and tell them what happened. They go to your neighbor's house and talk to him, but they don't take any action. You still hate him. A week later you notice that his dog pooped on your lawn. You want to kill that dog, but if you do, you will only create more problems with your neighbor. He will now want to to harm you even more. The moral is Violence doesn't solve problems, it creates them



Denizen,
I appriciate that your coming at this from more of an evolved pacifist standpoint. Let me answer your anaology with another. This one obviously rooted in the crisis in Israel. Your a poor guy who went west in the boom days of the 1800's in the US. You got some land from the government and no sooner had you set up your holdings but you started a tussle with your neighbor over the nearby watering hole. He beat you up and has laid claim to it ever since. Now your neighbor is a well-to-do sort and has lots of work-hands and they are all well armed. You decide many years later to try to take back your watering hole by force and they beat the living tar out of you again. This time they take even more of your land as "payment" for all the trouble you caused. Now many years have passed and you haven't gotten much richer but you do have lots of sons. Your sons get the idea to go annoy the neighbor by killing off his livestock in a hit and run tactic. Now eventually the neighbor gets really pissed and sends his boys over and they kill your whole family.

This story may sound humorous to some. It's not meant to. This scenario probably played itself out many times in the Wild West. My point is this. I have no sympathy for this man and his family. Call me callous or cruel. In fact, even if I did, it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference because I am not going to go fight the well armed neighbor about it. Furthermore the man who feels he has been robbed ? well it may not be just. But it happened from his actions and no one elses. Sometimes you have to live with these consequences. The world is not always black and white or even fair. And God help us if in this scenario the Israeli's get fed up to the point that they just declare all out war on the Palestinians.

On a side note I once believed that surely the majority of Palestinians did not want to see Israel truly and utterly destroyed. I want to still believe that the "silent" majority think that terrorism is wrong. That these suicide bombers are mad, utterly. But I am starting to feel that is not the case. There is too much anger in the Arab world for it to simply be a small minority anymore. I think the small majority is not being silenced by the masses because the masses silently yearn for the U.S. and the West to be knocked down a peg or two, for Israel to be destroyed, and for some sheerly impossible turn of events their nations to be the center of the civilized world again. --- But maybe I'm wrong. I am only basing this on 4000 years of recorded history. Though hey...this is a new age right? The age of enlightenment? We have said that before too.

Jim



Weel said Jim.
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Posted: Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 09:55 PM UTC
errrr, Well said Jim, not Weel said, geez, can't even spell correctly this early.
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Posted: Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 09:57 PM UTC

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Ok time for my 2 cents, Tread thank you especially for {A} I've lost friends in viet nam
and lebanon denez could not have ever felt this loss . I give denz the respect for
holding his ground and his feelings. Not with standing he cant understand
this is about an empire of Islam they want the same empire they had in midevil
{sp} times . I have little respect for any one that kill civilians they are cowards
they tried this in 1816 1818 the barabary coast.i didnot work then either.
We can not and should not nuke anyone. Unless it follows our dertertant
restraints. But there are are other opitions . We the U.S. should use every
one of them. If innocent people get killed I'm truly sorry But they have a choice
they can leave.
Remember war is war any thing else is murder. Murder in any ones name is
still murder. I will probably draw flack over this , but when you see you friends
to one of these S.O.B. you'll have to re think this.

With all due respect:: thanks tread for waking me up.


ponysoldier


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Many, many thx for your comment ponysoldier......

Tread.
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Posted: Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 09:58 PM UTC
O.K., O.K......I'm done 'bogarting' the thread now.

I'll go to my room.

Tread.
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Posted: Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 11:09 PM UTC

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errrr, Well said Jim, not Weel said, geez, can't even spell correctly this early.


Weel noo Tread ye dina spell it wrang,its jist yer kilt talk cummin oot.
Arthur
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Posted: Friday, June 21, 2002 - 12:28 AM UTC
Maybe they should put that saddam guy in a prison or something..execution will only make him a maytr in the eyes of the Islamic fanatics. Don get me wrong, i'm no racist or anti-islam, but i really don like the way they wage their war, eg..killing innocents? I'm sure iraq will be a better place without that madman. Once he's down there will be one less terrorism-loving-guy! :-)
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Posted: Friday, June 21, 2002 - 11:24 AM UTC

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errrr, Well said Jim, not Weel said, geez, can't even spell correctly this early.


Weel noo Tread ye dina spell it wrang,its jist yer kilt talk cummin oot.
Arthur
ye/ll tak the high road,and i/ll tak the low road.




LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLLLOLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh jeez, my sides.......holy mackeral............. #:-)

I will be forever appreciative to you for that belly laugh Arthur!

Tread. :-) THANKS!
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Posted: Friday, June 21, 2002 - 09:37 PM UTC
How I could say that....Somebody said: " I ' ll not kill children...etc " ! Nobody likes to do so, BUT everybody did it....US soldiers did it, French ones too, and every people on this planet did the same, wearin' an uniform, or not....It ' s WAR, man, which kills babes, women, and soldiers too, sometimes !
And these people aren' t hysterical porno videos sellers....They ' re AT WAR ! You like it or not...!
They ' re wrong...OK ! They don' t had to do that...Yes sir ! So what...? I don' t think Americans think the same about everything, it' s the same in France, and I don' t think ALL Palestinians like to send their children blowin' up in the next coffee shop, BUT....Think twice: you' re a peaceful palestinian worker, you didn' t care about all this mess, you, like french or vietnamese one, only want to live in peace, with your wife and children, like your israelian neighbour, politics AND religions f **** you up ( by the way, all Palestinians aren' t Moslems, they ' re Christians and even atheists too ! ) and then, because a crazy dog from next door kills someone somewhere, you take the full wrath of Tsahal....How you ' ll react ? I ' m, sadly, old enought to see how people could react...Algerian war brings a lot of tragedies, and not only in Algeria !
Solution ? First, stop to think about people as ONE...And then, try to understand the other side ! I say understand, and not apologize nor approve...!
It ' s a pity I don' t speak fluent english, but I hope you ' ll understand what I mean...I meant no offense to somebody !
' ve a nice day...!
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Posted: Friday, June 21, 2002 - 09:50 PM UTC
Sgt Michael:
No Offense taken here: Point well taken, "WELL SAID" Now if THE WORLD would just listen to such talk and understand. Unforunanetly because of the times, and the world that we actually live in, And the fact that thier are FANATICS out there that Look for an excuse, ANY EXCUSE, To Blow some one up, or to shoot one, Just simply because it makes them feel better about themselves.. Either way your view point is excepted and and well taken thank you for taking the time to leave one. We look forward to hearing more from you.

DAGGER-1 " To The Victor Go The Spoils"
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Posted: Friday, June 21, 2002 - 10:38 PM UTC

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It ' s a pity I don' t speak fluent english, but I hope you ' ll understand what I mean...



It's loud and clear !!
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Posted: Saturday, June 22, 2002 - 02:43 AM UTC
Treadhead,

You're welcome....
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Armour66,I love you man.I share your exact thoughts on Iraq and Saddam.After 9-11,the Arab terrorist groups gave us the perfect opportunity to go "Nuke".And you know what?If you bloody the nose of a raghead in the first round,he wont wanna come back for another.Basically what Im saying for those of you that are a bunch of pussy liberals,is that no one messes with the United States of America,no one.You attack us,ok no problem,we level your butt into the next 50 years.America is the symbol of freedom and for the past 200 something years we have shed blood to keep it that way,and to keep the world safe.But,in this modern society if someone ever attacks us,we come at them headstrong and kick some serious butt!