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Prinz Eugen - May 1941
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Posted: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 04:37 PM UTC
Well, thank you very much everyone for the kind words and dropping by to have a look

Yep, glad you picked up on the "peeping Arado" Jan, put that one in there for you mate
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Posted: Thursday, February 09, 2017 - 02:46 PM UTC
Friday 10th Feb 2017 update

Bit of a large update today, so I'll let the pictures do the talking





















Sorry Jan, I had to forego the peep nosed Arado as it did not want to fit in the hangar no matter how much I butchered it
The main guns are still waiting to be shipped, the hull still needs to be man-handled while fitting out
As for the WEM PE, it's been frustrating. I find many of the railings 'designed' to fit specific areas don't and I end up having to trim them to suit. Considering the price of these things and that other manufacturers seem to have no problem with this it's fairly annoying! This is soaking up valuable build time.

There's a couple of ladders I built back to front and when I went to revise them they disintegrated, luckily Trumpeter have also provided some duplicates along with the MK wood deck

Oh, and one more thing about the kit: the torpedo launchers actually protrude past the edge of the deck so lord knows how I'm going to fit railings there! Thanks again Trumpy! Sigh!

Next up cranes, boats more bits, more ladders... more soon

Thanks for looking
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Posted: Thursday, February 09, 2017 - 11:31 PM UTC
Hi Russ,

Great update! he is really coming together. I am confident you will find your way around the TT issue.

Aircraft in hangers is fun, never found one yet that really fits all the way (except the semi walrus on the old Airfix HMS Belfast.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Friday, February 10, 2017 - 01:06 PM UTC
Russ,
It is looking very sharp. Your patience has paid off so far. I don't envy you with those "made to measure" railings, always becomes a fiddly job, though you really should have expected it with this kit


cheers
Michael
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Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2017 - 02:18 PM UTC

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Hi Russ,

Great update! he is really coming together. I am confident you will find your way around the TT issue.

Aircraft in hangers is fun, never found one yet that really fits all the way (except the semi walrus on the old Airfix HMS Belfast.

Cheers

Si



Thank you Si

I sure hope I can solve the railing issue! I'd hate to have a bulging railing along the decking.

Those hangars sure a tricky things. Oh well the peep nosed Arado will need to wait for another time-maybe I'll build one in 1/72 just for kicks!


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Russ,
It is looking very sharp. Your patience has paid off so far. I don't envy you with those "made to measure" railings, always becomes a fiddly job, though you really should have expected it with this kit


cheers
Michael



Thanks Michael

You're right-this kit has been a PITA that's for sure. Slowly getting there.

At the moment I'm sorely tempting at deviating off course and doing a 'quick' build of type XXI: no PE, straight OOB! hmmm
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Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2017 - 07:50 PM UTC
Huge update,

She looks formidable, both as a warship and as a build. Is therre something else on the Prinz you can do instead of PE for a while to rest your eyes and patience?

I was able to fit a SH-60 into the hanger on the Rueben James, but I scratch built the hanger to fit, so its cheating.

Keep cruising, will be watching,
Bryan
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2017 - 01:36 AM UTC

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Huge update,

She looks formidable, both as a warship and as a build. Is therre something else on the Prinz you can do instead of PE for a while to rest your eyes and patience?

I was able to fit a SH-60 into the hanger on the Rueben James, but I scratch built the hanger to fit, so its cheating.

Keep cruising, will be watching,
Bryan



Thank you Bryan

next up on the Prinz is small armament, Cranes, boat stowage, and masts, so no let up yet from the PE. Just gotta keep plugging away at it.
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2017 - 07:02 AM UTC
I had the same problem with the Torpedo tubes with my Scharnhorst. I just ran the railings up to tube mounting on the deck. I believe the crew had to drop the railing before swinging the tubes around for launching.
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2017 - 07:41 AM UTC

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... I believe the crew had to drop the railing before swinging the tubes around for launching.



I think you are right about that!

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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2017 - 08:41 AM UTC
Hi Mark/Tim!

you're absolutely spot on! The railings were dropped to allow the Torpedo launchers to turn during action!

What's got me bugged is their actual position/size portrayed by the model results in them overhanging the edge of the deck meaning they will foul the railings when I add them

So, option 1: omit the railings in these areas (odd considering there will be no other areas on the ship ready for action)
Or option 2: go around and hope it doesn't look too odd with a curved section...

Thoughts and Suggestions welcome
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2017 - 09:02 AM UTC
Maybe you could cut the locator piece off the torpedo mount and attach the mount to its base slightly off center, further inboard, to clear the rails? The cheat wouldn't be all that visible because it is at the base and behind the safety rails...

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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2017 - 10:40 AM UTC
Hi Russ!

First of all, that's really a beauty you are building there, mate!! All your work and patience is really paying off now, seeing her taking shape really proofs that it was worth it!!

Your issues with the railings in general are annoying, I know what you are talking about, but you will overcome it. More difficult to me seems the issue with the torpedo tubes - Tim's idea sounds good to me, but from the way those launchers are designed, I am not sure if you can so easily install the 'off center'?! Maybe if you try to remove some material from the inside of the TT base with a sharp knife, so they move just a fraction of a mm inside. It's hard to guess from your pictures how much they need to move. Another option would possibly be to swing them outside as if ready for action, and hence omitting the railing in this area. But that would not be in line with the rest of your model in some way...hard call...

Well sorry to hear about the peep tail Arado, but than again it proofs that those birds in general don't fit in their hangars in 1/350 scale...my peep tail Walrus just went in because there was room for two side by side. No way to fit it in a single hangar...

I keep my fingers crossed for a solution for your TT's!!

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2017 - 03:57 PM UTC

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Maybe you could cut the locator piece off the torpedo mount and attach the mount to its base slightly off center, further inboard, to clear the rails? The cheat wouldn't be all that visible because it is at the base and behind the safety rails...




I'd love to be able to do that Tim, unfortunately the TT's are already glued down (with 2 part epoxy, no less)


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Hi Russ!

First of all, that's really a beauty you are building there, mate!! All your work and patience is really paying off now, seeing her taking shape really proofs that it was worth it!!

Your issues with the railings in general are annoying, I know what you are talking about, but you will overcome it. More difficult to me seems the issue with the torpedo tubes - Tim's idea sounds good to me, but from the way those launchers are designed, I am not sure if you can so easily install the 'off center'?! Maybe if you try to remove some material from the inside of the TT base with a sharp knife, so they move just a fraction of a mm inside. It's hard to guess from your pictures how much they need to move. Another option would possibly be to swing them outside as if ready for action, and hence omitting the railing in this area. But that would not be in line with the rest of your model in some way...hard call...

Well sorry to hear about the peep tail Arado, but than again it proofs that those birds in general don't fit in their hangars in 1/350 scale...my peep tail Walrus just went in because there was room for two side by side. No way to fit it in a single hangar...

I keep my fingers crossed for a solution for your TT's!!

Cheers,
Jan



Hi Jan! Thank you for the kind words! It's been a slog that's for sure, but, there's light at the end of the tunnel! The finish line is in sight!

I'm not sure how to approach the TT's and the railings at this stage, but unfortunately they're already glued down and there's no way to move them...

The peep nosed Arado is an elusive one that's for sure... It might be time to add a 1/72 to the stash!
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2017 - 07:07 PM UTC
Hi Russel!
All i have to say is "Just WOW" you ship guys do some truly AWESOME work. Great post here really enjoy see the progress.
Happy Modeling

Regards

Horst
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Posted: Monday, February 13, 2017 - 02:09 AM UTC

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Hi Russel!
All i have to say is "Just WOW" you ship guys do some truly AWESOME work. Great post here really enjoy see the progress.
Happy Modeling

Regards

Horst



Thank you very much, Horst
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Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 - 02:37 PM UTC
My 2 week vacation
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Posted: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 - 12:15 PM UTC
Hi Russell,
Some great work on your Prinz! haven't realized how much I've missed lately. You're making me want to drop all of my other projects and build a ship again!

Sorry about your torpedo problems. I hate to recommend filing and shaving them just enough to get the railings on. But since you've got them held on so well, you don't have many options.

Gaz
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Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2017 - 01:46 AM UTC

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Hi Russell,
Some great work on your Prinz! haven't realized how much I've missed lately. You're making me want to drop all of my other projects and build a ship again!

Sorry about your torpedo problems. I hate to recommend filing and shaving them just enough to get the railings on. But since you've got them held on so well, you don't have many options.

Gaz



Thanks Gaz! haven't seen you around here lately?!?! Good to see you back!

Hmmm, not sure if I'd advocate a ship build or not at this point

I think my best chance at the moment is to leave the railings off at the torpedo launchers as they would have been had they been preparing for action... Oh well, live and learn, and hopefully it can be a caution for anyone else building the Prinz
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Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2017 - 04:06 AM UTC
Russell,
Are you into figures? A warship looks great swarming with crew, and it would go a long way to explain preparing for action.
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Posted: Friday, February 24, 2017 - 02:37 PM UTC
Good thought Gaz, although I'd struggle with the concept of figures, unless I set the Prinz in a seabase and weathered him.
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Posted: Friday, February 24, 2017 - 06:45 PM UTC
I know what you mean; I'm working on one on a display stand with crew figures right now... it does look a bit odd!

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Posted: Monday, March 27, 2017 - 02:44 AM UTC
Ok guys! I'm going to need some help here.

Does anyone have any drawings or plans of the two range finders on the forward superstructure? This is for the open cupola and also the smaller range finder just forward of it, so a large and a small

Alternatively does anyone know of any aftermarket rangefinders?

Also, for the searchlight platform on the main mast, does anyone know what surface this had? Trumpeter have molded timber decking, but I'm not so sure it was timber.
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Posted: Monday, March 27, 2017 - 03:59 PM UTC
Hi Russ -

sorry that at the moment I can't be of any help...those references that could help are at my 'other place', and right now, after some very busy and intense real-life weeks, holiday has arrived (can I say caught my by surprise?? As surprisingly as Christmas sometimes, long planned but still doing everything last minute...)

So if your question is still not answered in four weeks, I might be able to help...


Cheers mate,

Jan
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Posted: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 - 02:04 AM UTC

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Hi Russ -

sorry that at the moment I can't be of any help...those references that could help are at my 'other place', and right now, after some very busy and intense real-life weeks, holiday has arrived (can I say caught my by surprise?? As surprisingly as Christmas sometimes, long planned but still doing everything last minute...)

So if your question is still not answered in four weeks, I might be able to help...


Cheers mate,

Jan



Not a worry at all mate! Enjoy your holidays-hopefully you are able to travel a bit and see some new places.

I am going to leave the range finders for a while and finish off the other areas of the kit so I think 4 weeks will be fine If you have decent drawings of the range finders I might model them up in CAD and put them up on shapeways for others who need them, if there's any interest?

Alternatively if anyone has any in their spares boxes that they'd be will to part with I'd be happy to pay P+H costs too
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Posted: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 - 09:14 AM UTC
The only 1/350 Kriegsmarine optical rangefinders on the market seem to be the enclosed cylindrical and spherical type. No simple open type.

You may be in for a bit of scratch building.

http://www.admiral-hipper-class.dk/prinz_eugen/paint_schemes/prinz_eugen_paint_schemes_1941.html

Click on any of the images on this page - and then press and hold 'Ctrl" and '+' at the same time, the image gets pretty big. Perhaps you can work with these.

If you have kept the optical bits removed from the 4 meter enclosed spherical 'woble-pot rangefinder (converted to the searchlight cover domes) you can cement them back together with suitable stepped sections of Evergreen plastic tubing. The lens to lens distance wants to be the same as the the aft spherical rangefinder. These fit to ether side and below the Admirals bridge. (These lacked the 3-axis stabilization of the enclosed devices.)

The smaller 3 meter rangefinders would be another exercise in getting bits of different diameter plastic tubing or insulated wire in line and concentric. Other than the lens the whole affair was cylindrical in cross-section.

Hope yon make some sense of this, Russel.
Your build looks stellar.